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USFREEDOM911 said:
Where are the "IF" conditions, that you referred to, in writing?
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This is going to be fun.

Like I said - look at the comments of everyone from that day, including Dick Armey.

Are you contending - as bravo has been - that Congress "made the decision" to invade w/ that resolution? That Bush could do nothing to stop it? That as soon as the resolution passed, they should have mobilized forces, because that's what it mandated?

Why didn't they invade right away, then?

The rewriting of history on this is the most pathetic, partisan-driven thing I've ever seen. It speaks volumes as to how even the most ardent righties view Bush's decision to invade now. I guess ol' Iraq isn't quite the success that you guys used to crow about, eh?
 
bravo said:
Take notice how slick she is in evading your clear, direct question.....enjoy yourself USF.....but reasoning with the unreasonable is a losing battle.....

what the cowardly hypocrites said the day after the vote now sits in place of the official document.....like they voted on what they were going to
say a day in the future.....its laughable.....
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The official document talks nothing about "deciding" to invade, or mandating an invasion.
 
Thing1 said:
This is going to be fun.

Like I said - look at the comments of everyone from that day, including Dick Armey.

Are you contending - as bravo has been - that Congress "made the decision" to invade w/ that resolution? That Bush could do nothing to stop it? That as soon as the resolution passed, they should have mobilized forces, because that's what it mandated?

Why didn't they invade right away, then?

The rewriting of history on this is the most pathetic, partisan-driven thing I've ever seen. It speaks volumes as to how even the most ardent righties view Bush's decision to invade now. I guess ol' Iraq isn't quite the success that you guys used to crow about, eh?
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You're correct; this is fun.
Like I asked:

USFREEDOM911 said:
Where are the "IF" conditions, that you referred to, in writing?
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Thing1 said:
I can't complain about a President recklessly leading us into an unnecessary war?

Didn't realize that was one of the rules on complaints.
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But your complaint is a strawman; because Congress supported him and you only want to complain about the President, while giving a pass to the rest that were involved.
ie: you're full of hypocrisy
 
Thing1 said:
This is going to be fun.

Like I said - look at the comments of everyone from that day, including Dick Armey.

Are you contending - as bravo has been - that Congress "made the decision" to invade w/ that resolution? That Bush could do nothing to stop it? That as soon as the resolution passed, they should have mobilized forces, because that's what it mandated?

Why didn't they invade right away, then?

The rewriting of history on this is the most pathetic, partisan-driven thing I've ever seen. It speaks volumes as to how even the most ardent righties view Bush's decision to invade now. I guess ol' Iraq isn't quite the success that you guys used to crow about, eh?
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When you lie, you force me to respond


I never said Bush had nothing to say...............thats a lie....Bush already said what his intention was and what his goals were
I never said Bush could do nothing to stop it....another lie....but why would he stop it if his goal was not met, he wasn't know for flip flopping.
The resolution didn't 'mandate' anything..........another lie....the resolution was to decide Congressional approval and consent or the opposite

Bush could do whatever he wanted to do...and everyone KNEW what his intention was...to oust Saddam, one way or another, by force if he refused to step down
Bush didn't want to stop anything....he wanted to do what he said he would do....again, oust Saddam, one way or another, by force if he refused to leave
That was intention BEFORE the resolution was voted on....
He asked for approval from the Congress
They voted, they approved and he carried out his objective
I truely fail to understand you can't the chronology of events as it occurred....

Thing1 said:
The official document talks nothing about "deciding" to invade, or mandating an invasion.
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The official document does have to contain the words YOU would have like them to use....and for good reason...its intent has to be clear but not ambiguous....or leave doubt about what it does and does not approve or consent to....

The official document isn't meant to dictate what military tactics are to be used .... it never is....not ever in any war....
The Congress never, ever conducts a war or outlines how a war is to be fought....wtf makes you keep repeating that lie....
The congress either approves war or rejects the war, or in rare cases, puts limits on the objectives or goals for the war....
Bush asked Congress and Congress approved IN THAT ORDER.....its so simple, its rather pathetic you can't grasp what occurred or in what order they occurred...

The war is fought by the military using whatever methods, tools, and equipment they deem necessary and have at their disposal to achieve the objective....unless
Congress or the CIC puts some sort of limits on the tactics might want to employ.....
Lying won't help your cause and I'm tired explaining it to you over and over

No resolution, no war....
 
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Just think how much better this country would be if Jefferson hadn't been elected via the 3/5 Clause in 1800. Then our first presidential administrations would have looked something like this:

George Washington (F) 1789-1797
John Adams (F) 1797-1805
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (F) 1805-1813
James Monroe (DR) 1813-1821
John Quincy Adams (F) 1821-1829
Henry Clay (F) 1829-1837
John C. Calhoun (D*) 1837-1841
William Henry Harrison (F) 1841
Daniel Webster (F) 1841-1849

*I'm assuming at some point the "R" would get dropped from the Democratic-Republican Party name, as it did in reality in 1828.
 
Thing1 said:
I'll keep teaching you on this if I have to, professor. Congress didn't decide on war. Congress decided to give Bush the authority to use force if he so chose, if inspections didn't work, if diplomacy didn't work, and if there were no other options.

Nothing about that vote made war or invasion inevitable. Were they stupid to trust Bush? Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that they made no decision to "go to war." Bush made that decision himself.
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Yes, and congress voted to give Bush the authority to make that decision. You don't give someone authority to do something and then say you didn't mean to do it. You're full of shit and you're stupid.
 
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm


Poll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link
WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country.
Sixty-nine percent in a Washington Post poll published Saturday said they believe it is likely the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks carried out by al-Qaeda. A majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents believe it's likely Saddam was involved.

The belief in the connection persists even though there has been no proof of a link between the two.

President Bush and members of his administration suggested a link between the two in the months before the war in Iraq. Claims of possible links have never been proven, however.

Veteran pollsters say the persistent belief of a link between the attacks and Saddam could help explain why public support for the decision to go to war in Iraq has been so resilient despite problems establishing a peaceful country
 
evince said:
Why did 70% of Americans think sadam did 911 at the time?
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For the same reason certain Americans believe they are at their station in life because 'duh rich did dat".

News flash; certain segments of the American electorate are dumbed-down, stupid fucks.
 
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