Healthcare hikes... nothing to see here... move along

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323936804578227890968100984.html

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Many actuaries, such as those in the international consulting firm Oliver Wyman, are now predicting an average increase of roughly 50% in premiums for some in the individual market for the same coverage. But that is an average. Large employer groups will be less affected, at least initially, because the law grandfathers in employers that self-insure. Small employers will likely see a significant increase, though not as large as the individual market, which will be the hardest hit.

We compared the average premiums in states that already have ObamaCare-like provisions in their laws and found that consumers in New Jersey, New York and Vermont already pay well over twice what citizens in many other states pay. Consumers in Maine and Massachusetts aren't far behind. Those states will likely see a small increase.
By contrast, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah, Wyoming and Virginia will likely see the largest increases—somewhere between 65% and 100%. Another 18 states, including Texas and Michigan, could see their rates rise between 35% and 65%.

While ObamaCare won't take full effect until 2014, health-insurance premiums in the individual market are already rising, and not just because of routine increases in medical costs. Insurers are adjusting premiums now in anticipation of the guaranteed-issue and community-rating mandates starting next year. There are newly imposed mandates, such as the coverage for children up to age 26, and what qualifies as coverage is much more comprehensive and expensive. Consolidation in the hospital system has been accelerated by ObamaCare and its push for Accountable Care Organizations. This means insurers must negotiate in a less competitive hospital market.
Although President Obama repeatedly claimed that health-insurance premiums for a family would be $2,500 lower by the end of his first term, they are actually about $3,000 higher—a spread of about $5,500 per family.

Health insurers have been understandably reluctant to discuss the coming price hikes that are driven by the Affordable Care Act. Mark Bertolini, CEO of Aetna, the country's third-largest health insurer, broke the silence on Dec. 12. "We're going to see some markets go up by as much as 100%," he told the company's annual investor conference in New York City.

Insurers know that the Obama administration will denounce the premium increases as the result of greedy health insurers, greedy doctors, greedy somebody. The Department of Health and Human Services will likely begin to threaten, arm-twist or investigate health insurers in an effort to force them into keeping their premiums more in line with Democratic promises—just as HHS bureaucrats have already started doing when insurers want premium increases larger than 10%.
And that may work for a while. It certainly has in Massachusetts, where politicians, including then-Gov. Mitt Romney, made all the same cost-lowering promises about the state's 2006 prequel to ObamaCare that have yet to come true.

This should be fun... nothing like health premium hikes on top of the tax increases to give the middle and lower classes a great big 'f u' in 2013.
 
yeah we will end up with a public option at least.


I wish you fools on the right would stop fighting the smartest ideas the hardest
 
Ha Ha!!
Fuck those who pay!!!!
The liberal way!!
Since obamacare promised affordable healthcare premiums have skyrocketed!!!!
Co pays have increased anywhere from 300% to 1000%!

Affordable for whom?

But to liberals this is a good thing!

Liberals hate the middle classes!

Liberal war on workers!
 
yeah we will end up with a public option at least.
I wish you fools on the right would stop fighting the smartest ideas the hardest

LMAO... I wish you fools on the left would realize that your pipe dreams are not the smartest ideas. Someone has to pay for the health care desh. You do understand that don't you?

Just saying 'the government will pay for everyone' doesn't magically erase that it has to be paid for. You (and many on the left) seem to always forget the part that someone has to pay for it. You seem to think one giant cookie cutter plan is the best thing for this country. We all have different needs, varying risks... why should we all have to pay for universal coverage? That guarantees that our costs will be at the high extreme.

We should simply make everyone who qualifies for Medicaid is aware of it and on it. Everyone else can pay for their own plans. That is how you get the costs down. Make people realize how expensive (health care wise) their lifestyles are.
 
yeah we will end up with a public option at least.


I wish you fools on the right would stop fighting the smartest ideas the hardest
Have you ever experienced socialised healthcare?

You don't have a clue what horrors you are hoping for!!
 
dear fucking lame brained Idiot.

single payer is NOT socialized healthcare and neither is a public option.


Im so tired of the right being complete fucking idioits
 
dear fucking lame brained Idiot.
single payer is NOT socialized healthcare and neither is a public option.
Im so tired of the right being complete fucking idioits

Always comical to see one of the boards most ignorant posters say something like the above.
 
What do you think single payer is?
Government!

That's socialised!

You will bite off your nose to spite your face!
 
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/


The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy.
 
http://www.healthcarecommunication....has_highest_health_care_cost_of_34_9069.aspx#


Study finds U.S. has highest health care cost of 34 countries


But it’s not all bad news.

By | Posted: June 27, 2012

If they were honest the costs would not be so different.
These dishonest studies look at public expenditure and private expenditure for treatment and combine the two.
Then they add the cost of insurance premiums.

Then they compare that combined total with public expenditure in other countries.

They don't look at private expenditure or insurance cost!

Dishonest studies!!
Not worth shit!
 
when the dr has his own practice and is running it like a business that is NOT socialized healthcare.


Lying about it doesnt make it true
 
Nope socialized healthcare is when the government is running the hospital you fucking lying idiot
So if you are paying the money, you are running the hospital
You fucktard dimwitted backward fucking knob rash douche cunt arse sucking donkey breathed twat!
 
But single payer doesnt mean you have one customer you fucking idiot.

A sick person picks the Dr not the single payer.

so the customer who influences your business is still the same.

BTW NO ONE is telling the Dr where to have his or her office and who to hire.


It remains a independent business operated by the owner of it
 
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