Should we increase visas for tech workers?

cawacko

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I've always been a big believer in wanting the best and brightest in the world to come to the U.S. so I support incresing H-1B visas. It seems the argument against increasing these visas is that it drives down wages and hurts the middle class. I'm curious what people think.



New effort to increase visas for tech workers as high as 300,000

The tech industry, one of the most powerful players in the immigration debate, threw down its marker Tuesday with a bipartisan stand-alone bill to increase H-1B visas for skilled workers from 65,000 to 115,000 with an escalator that could bring total visas to 300,000 a year.

Silicon Valley has been chafing under H-1B caps since the last comprehensive bill collapsed in 2006. Industry leaders have long argued that a green card should be stapled to every diploma earned by a foreign student in math or engineering, on the grounds that the U.S. is losing talented people educated in its own universities. Despite support from California House Democrats Anna Eshoo (Palo Alto) and Zoe Lofgren (San Jose), the effort has been stymied by stiff resistance from some U.S. tech workers and bipartisan opponents in Congress who say the industry just wants cheap labor.

The bill would also “allow dual intent for foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities to provide the certainty they need to ensure their future in the United States.” And it would exempt from the employment-based green card cap dependents of employment-based visa holders, U.S. STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) advanced degree holders, “persons with extraordinary ability” and “outstanding professors and researchers.”

This year’s model of an H1b visa increase is called I-Squared, or the Immigration Innovation Act, sponsored by Sens. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Chris Coons (D-Del.).

The authors say the bill is critical to U.S. competitiveness in the global economy. In addition to increasing H-1B visas to 115,000 a year, the bill would create an automatic escalator “so that the cap can adjust – up or down – to the demands of the economy” with a total ceiling of 300,000.

Depending on how quickly the annual cap is reached, mini-escalators are included that would provide as many as 20,000 additional visas immediately. Additional sponsors include Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Dean Heller (R-Nev.), John Hoeven (R-N.D.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), and Mark Warner (D-Va,).

Whether 2013 will be a replay of the immigration failure of 2006, we shall know by summer. The various factions are suiting up for well-worn roles. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., will be pushing for expanded temporary slots for the farm workers who are essential to California’s produce industry. The bigger bipartisan Senate framework introduced Monday by the Gang of Eight has placeholders for both tech and farm workers. Florida Republican Marco Rubio is one of the Gang and also a sponsor of the separate tech worker bill, giving it added juice.

Pew just released a new estimate on the total U.S. immigrant population, tallying a record 40.4 million in 2011, or 13 percent of the population, based on an analysis of Census data by the Pew Hispanic Center, a project of the Pew Research Center.

UPDATE: Obama gave a plug to the tech side in Las Vegas Tuesday: “Right now, there are brilliant students from all over the world sitting in classrooms at our top universities. They’re earning degrees in the fields of the future, like engineering and computer science. But once they finish school, once they earn that diploma, there’s a good chance they’ll have to leave our country. Think about that.

“We’re giving them all the skills they need to figure that out, but then we’re going to turn around and tell them to start that business and create those jobs in China or India or Mexico or someplace else. That’s not how you grow new industries in America. That’s how you give new industries to our competitors. ”


http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05electio...ase-visas-for-tech-workers-as-high-as-300000/
 
Wouldn't it just be easier to just eliminate all of our immigration laws?

Seriously. Why have them? They obviously don't mean anything. They obviously don't have to enforce them. Why have them?
 
Wouldn't it just be easier to just eliminate all of our immigration laws?

Seriously. Why have them? They obviously don't mean anything. They obviously don't have to enforce them. Why have them?

This is how immigration is suppose to work. People apply (legally) and are given a work visa to come to this country. Would you rather we have no immigration into this country at all?
 
I am a programmer. I am all for open immigration and easing the path to citizenship. The problem with H1b is it allows employers to treat the immigrants as indentured servants and limits the workers ability to bargain for wages. Let them come and compete equally.
 
This is how immigration is suppose to work. People apply (legally) and are given a work visa to come to this country. Would you rather we have no immigration into this country at all?

And when their visa expires and they don't reapply, or they just ignore it?
 
And when their visa expires and they don't reapply, or they just ignore it?

I'm not sure how the law works. I had two ex co-workers who were here on visas and they were contacted by the government before their visas expired and told they had to renew or leave the country. One renewed and one went back to Canada. I don't know if that is the norm for how the system works or not.
 
I am a programmer. I am all for open immigration and easing the path to citizenship. The problem with H1b is it allows employers to treat the immigrants as indentured servants and limits the workers ability to bargain for wages. Let them come and compete equally.

if it's such a raw deal, they don't have to come here. Let them do as we say, or they can get the fuck out. We make the rules.
 
I'm not sure how the law works. I had two ex co-workers who were here on visas and they were contacted by the government before their visas expired and told they had to renew or leave the country. One renewed and one went back to Canada. I don't know if that is the norm for how the system works or not.

Notifications are sent out; but an article from May of 2010, reports that there may as be 5.5 million immigrants whose visa's have expired and never left.

So are we supposed to just grant a "get out of deportion card" and allow them to stay under this new "Immigration Reform"?

Now with the "Dream Act", they want to let Students stay; but what about the parents of those students, their siblings, etc?
 
Notifications are sent out; but an article from May of 2010, reports that there may as be 5.5 million immigrants whose visa's have expired and never left.

So are we supposed to just grant a "get out of deportion card" and allow them to stay under this new "Immigration Reform"?

Now with the "Dream Act", they want to let Students stay; but what about the parents of those students, their siblings, etc?

It sounds to me like this is a failure (again) of the federal government to track those who come into this country. IMO, if we try to cut off immigration into this country our entire country will lose. One only has to go through the Silicon Valley to see the number of immigrant entrepreneurs that have helped our country grow. To my understanding these H-1B visas are bringing well educated and bright minds into the U.S. who want to work here. To me that is a good thing.
 
It sounds to me like this is a failure (again) of the federal government to track those who come into this country. IMO, if we try to cut off immigration into this country our entire country will lose. One only has to go through the Silicon Valley to see the number of immigrant entrepreneurs that have helped our country grow. To my understanding these H-1B visas are bringing well educated and bright minds into the U.S. who want to work here. To me that is a good thing.

I didn't see anyone wanting to "cut off" immigration, so I'm not sure what this has to do with the discussion.
 
This is how immigration is suppose to work. People apply (legally) and are given a work visa to come to this country. Would you rather we have no immigration into this country at all?

Yeah but it isn't quite working like tha is it?

In 1986 we were told that is we gave 1.3 million illegals amnesty we would never have to do this again.

Now we are giving 11!million illegals amnesty. So, I ask. Why even have immigration laws? They obviously mean nothing.

And I thought you would be a little better than using a typical left wing argument of "are you against immigration". That is a specious argument.

How people think that being against illegal immigration means one is against all immigration is the most intellectually dishonest argument one could make and to be honest I thought you were better than that
 
if it's such a raw deal, they don't have to come here. Let them do as we say, or they can get the fuck out. We make the rules.

We? Do you own a company that can sponsor someone? I am not interested in helping assholes abuse immigrants.
 
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I think we should tighten the borders and loosen the process by which immigrants get work visas.

The high tech workers are needed. So are the low tech workers. If you have ever tried to get americans to do manual labor you know what I mean.
 
I think we should tighten the borders and loosen the process by which immigrants get work visas.

The high tech workers are needed. So are the low tech workers. If you have ever tried to get americans to do manual labor you know what I mean.

Could you explain what is insufficient about current immigration laws that we need new ones?

Also could you explain why this President would now be motivated to enforce these new laws when he has shown no desire to enforce the ones we have.

But I get it. The GOP must do this because the Hispanics are poised to vote for them if they do and the democrats will just stand by and let the GOP poach their base. It is crystal clear
 
Could you explain what is insufficient about current immigration laws that we need new ones?

Also could you explain why this President would now be motivated to enforce these new laws when he has shown no desire to enforce the ones we have.

But I get it. The GOP must do this because the Hispanics are poised to vote for them if they do and the democrats will just stand by and let the GOP poach their base. It is crystal clear

The current system for work visas is a mess of red-tape. It could be streamlined very easily.

I have no idea why this president would be motivated to do it, since NO president has done it. No democrat nor republican president has done shit about illegal immigration.

And as far as your "I get it", you obviously don't.
 
This is how immigration is suppose to work. People apply (legally) and are given a work visa to come to this country. Would you rather we have no immigration into this country at all?
Works nothing like that.
Don't post like an expert when you know nothing about a subject.
 
We have an effective tourist programme, often taken advantage of by the Irish who are prone to overstays.

A southern border that creates employment for thousands of federal employees.
A northern border where the same people can relax as retirement nears.

Work visas have a fixed term of one year, and are renewed each year, renewal can be denied at any time.

Different rules apply to different nations.
There are very very few Mexican illegals.
 
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