PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
four year low in the fifth year of Obama's presidency......one wonders if he will ever catch up with himself......
The Bush years followed the 2000 election when, if you remember, the Democrats and Republicans were arguing over how they were going to spend the multi-trillion dollar surplus that was going to inevitably happen. Bush got elected, and got a Republican congress and suddenly there was an economic free-for-all with rubber-stamping and massive government expansion. Massive. A housing bubble followed, and when the shit hit the fan in 2008, and real people lost jobs, houses, businesses and retirements, what we got from Washington was a shitload of fingerpointing and more massive government expansion. Jobs were among the last economic areas to experience recovery. It is a very real thing that people who stop looking for jobs affect unemployment rates. That's why simpletons who don't understand things like this shouldn't be running around dismissing it as the author of this thread has. Its never black and white, and when you have a moron like Jarod insinuating that real economic factors are partisan whining, then it gives a good name to partisan whining, which is not a good thing. But we will always have in this country, on both sides, people who picked their team, their party, and who place the success of that team above all else, above people losing their homes, giving u on job searches, of retiring well off.
To those people, I give an honest and heartfelt fuck you.
You know who you are. Right Dix?
four year low in the fifth year of Obama's presidency......one wonders if he will ever catch up with himself......
That's great tunnel vision, SF - look up from the WSJ and take a look at reality. When an administration overspends and cuts taxes like Bush's did - for EIGHT YEARS - that isn't unrelated to an economic collapse that occurs at the end of those 8 years.
Are you telling me that if we had a President who maintained a budget, didn't spend beyond our means and who kept the nation in outstanding fiscal health for those 8 years, the collapse still would have happened & been as severe as it was? That's comedy. Pure comedy.
Wars
Tell us how... where did the money go that was spent on the wars? How did that spending cause the economic collapse?
Still the royal we I see.
LOL... still an idiot I see.
This is an open message board, not a private message. Therefor, any one answering a question is doing so for the board, not just an individual. If she and I were the only ones posting on this thread, then I would have asked her to tell me. But I know there are others reading this and even simpletons like you count.
Eh, we would all say "tell us" then.
You do it as a debate tactic. To subtly imply you have a big team behind you and it is just the person you are debating with against all of you. It's stupid and always makes me laugh. You probably learned it on some debate team you thought you rocked.
Eh, we would all say "tell us" then.
You do it as a debate tactic. To subtly imply you have a big team behind you and it is just the person you are debating with against all of you. It's stupid and always makes me laugh. You probably learned it on some debate team you thought you rocked.
Tell us how... where did the money go that was spent on the wars? How did that spending cause the economic collapse?
where did the money go that was spent on the wars?
How did that spending cause the economic collapse?
The questions you are still avoiding.
Is this some sort of weird "gotcha"? The money went all over the place. Much of it went to US firms, and quite a bit to foreign contractors; a lot went to reconstruction efforts; a few people got wealthy from it. As for the economic collapse, there are so many factors in that which relate to the wars. When we went to war w/ Iraq, the price of oil was around $25 a barrel. What do you think that the war did to investment in that region, and to the stability of oil prices in general? Do you think that the price of oil over the past decade is unrelated to the economic collapse?
And you righties love to talk about the fed debt, and what that does to our economic stability. How much did the wars add to that debt?
Paul Krugman says that the Iraq war did not contribute to the economic meltdown of 2008. I heard him say it to a roomful of peace activists and they were really pissed. In fact one of the guys I was with (not with with, no way) called him a fucking moron - sort of like if you can picture the left wing Superfreak (who I guess I could conceivably be someplace with, but not with with either see)?
Paul Krugman says that the Iraq war did not contribute to the economic meltdown of 2008. I heard him say it to a roomful of peace activists and they were really pissed. In fact one of the guys I was with (not with with, no way) called him a fucking moron - sort of like if you can picture the left wing Superfreak (who I guess I could conceivably be someplace with, but not with with either see)?
That is a pretty gutsy group of people to say that to.
Naturally, I disagree w/ him. I think economists - and I have noticed this about posters like SF as well - get too mired in their WSJ's and economic tomes, and miss the forest. There is no way anyone is ever going to convince me that insane spending on an unnecessary war is unrelated to our economy in general, or to the economic collapse specifically.
I don't follow Krugman much, but it also seems to me that he enjoys being somewhat contrarian.
Paul Krugman says that the Iraq war did not contribute to the economic meltdown of 2008. I heard him say it to a roomful of peace activists and they were really pissed. In fact one of the guys I was with (not with with, no way) called him a fucking moron - sort of like if you can picture the left wing Superfreak (who I guess I could conceivably be someplace with, but not with with either see)?
Maybe you should spell out the causal nexus between war spending and the economic collapse. I'm not seeing it.