Same-sex couples begin marrying

[Auster]

I'm sure you have.

From one glory hole to the next.

*slurp*

Is that the sound that comes from one? You'd know more than me. Until I was 13 I always thought tp was passed through those.

 

[Phantasmal]

So, let's roll back a bit. In order to have a conception of gay/straight we need to define them. How do we define them? 2 ways:

1) By actions. i.e. you are gay because you kiss/fondle/sodomize/w.e. Your actions define you as such, and the actions that define a gay or straight person are defined by yourself/society.

2) By self-identification. You are straight because you consider yourself straight. Notice that this one falls into the first, but its not uncommon to see this argument so it gets its own special number.


So, either you identify yourself as gay/straight (gs) based upon your concept of gs, or you define yourself as gs based on your actions (concept). Either way you are making a purposeful judgment of yourself, whatever society might think.

As far as your feeling and attractions, they are chemical. They are triggered by these genetic predispositions and environmental triggers. They are subjective and as a rule I'd not value emotions highly.

As far as your chemical attractions they can be attributed to your environment and possibly genetic predisposition. At some point in your life you decided you fit the criteria of gs and you've been hard at work trying to work it into your schemas ever since. Even one who claims 'not to like being gs and wants desperately to be different' works the concept they have into their actions, thoughts, and experiences.

If you look back to Aristotle, he describes what he defines free will. The same we base our modern definition upon. He claims in essence that although things may seem out of control, our actions are the result of free will. He declares that even if its 'who we are' we are still free to choose, or were up until the point we willingly surrendered this free will.



You poke fun at me and patronize me? I have nothing of the sort to you. I never claimed this, and if you perceived it honestly so than it is because I am making an effort to stay neutral. If you want honesty.

Spoiler

As I said above, every person has to choose their sexuality at some point in their life. For some it seems like a no brainer; for others it must be hard. Some do it multiple times over their life, leading to this idea of a continuum. I chose to be straight, yes.

I honestly want to know how it would be choice, and what made you choose. I never had any attractions to females. It was not a choice for me.

When you say choice, you must have had an attraction to both female and males and you weighed the two and Piced was most appealing. I never made a choice. I was only attracted to men from day one. No choice, only Gus.

 

[Auster]

I honestly want to know how it would be choice, and what made you choose. I never had any attractions to females. It was not a choice for me.

When you say choice, you must have had an attraction to both female and males and you weighed the two and Piced was most appealing. I never made a choice. I was only attracted to men from day one. No choice, only Gus.

You identify yourself as gay, apparently. Im happy for you in that you didn't have difficulties deciding. I've heard it can get quite messy inside when its not so easy. I also sense that now that there is a continuum in place that people dont have to choose. But the matter of personal responibility is a rant for another day.

Whether or not you approve of homosexuality to call it not a choice (and to claim its solely genetic/enviornmental. Science says otherwise) is wrong.

 

[DamnYankee]

Rana's a woman and she likes the dick. That's not gay.

 

[Auster]

opps. Well then, Im still happy for you.

EDIT: my apologies

 

[Independent]

I believe that the government should just get out of the marriage business altogether. There should be a domestic partner contract that can be made between ANY two consenting adults that has nothing to do with the sexual relationship or familial relationship of the two parties.

 

[Phantasmal]

You identify yourself as gay, apparently. Im happy for you in that you didn't have difficulties deciding. I've heard it can get quite messy inside when its not so easy. I also sense that now that there is a continuum in place that people dont have to choose. But the matter of personal responibility is a rant for another day.

Whether or not you approve of homosexuality to call it not a choice (and to claim its solely genetic/enviornmental. Science says otherwise) is wrong.

Nope, it was never a choice for me, maybe for you, but not for me, so you are incorrect.

 

[Auster]

It was and is a choice for you, me, and everyone in between. The explaination was given, a brief summerization was done, and the logic follows except when one chooses to ignore it.

Let's try a new game. Prove to me it wasnt a choice. That nobody can choose to be gay or straight.

 

[Howey]

Is that the sound that comes from one? You'd know more than me. Until I was 13 I always thought tp was passed through those.

Suuuuuure you did. *slurp* *slurp*

 

[Auster]

Says the cow with the big lips.

 

[Phantasmal]

It was and is a choice for you, me, and everyone in between. The explaination was given, a brief summerization was done, and the logic folows except when one chooses to ignore it.

Let's try a new game. Prove to me it wasnt a choice. That you can't choose to be gay or straight.

The definition of choice is choosing between two options.

Sexual attraction towards women was never an option for me. I have only felt sexual attraction for males.

In order for it to be a choice, I would have to be attracted to both and make a conscience decision to pick one over the other.

Why is this so very hard for you to comprehend?

Did you have sexual attraction to both male and female? If you did, at what point did you choose?

 

[Howey]

Let's try a new game. Prove to me it wasnt a choice. That nobody can choose to be gay or straight.

Mmmmkay there luscious lips. Was it your choice to have funny Uncle Brian grasp your arms from behind holding that big club to make that golf swing or didja just bend the knees and stick your butt out for him and let the follow through happen?

Was it natural or a choice?

 

[Phantasmal]

It was and is a choice for you, me, and everyone in between. The explaination was given, a brief summerization was done, and the logic follows except when one chooses to ignore it.

Let's try a new game. Prove to me it wasnt a choice. That nobody can choose to be gay or straight.

I look at a naked woman, no flushing, no quickness of breath, no stirring in the gential regions. No physical reaction to her.

Not the same when I see a naked man. Depending on the man, it causes arousal, heightened sexual awareness.

I don't know how your body functions, but this is how I knew I was hetrosexual. It want a choice.
Having sex with a woman does absolutely nothing for me.

 

[Auster]

The definition of choice is choosing between two options.

Sexual attraction towards women was never an option for me. I have only felt sexual attraction for males.

In order for it to be a choice, I would have to be attracted to both and make a conscience decision to pick one over the other.

Why is this so very hard for you to comprehend?

Did you have sexual attraction to both male and female? If you did, at what point did you choose?

So you have no choice, no chance to go out and sleep with a female, right now? Its been well established by our culture that pleasure knows no sex (pun). You have a choice, and you always will.

"Why is it so very hard for you to comprehend" that your feelings arent the determinent of society? I've established that ultimately its your behavior that determines whether you're gay or straight. How you act, society sees you in relation to it, and how you respond to that interpretation. all action. 'Feeling attraction' has no part in this, save emotions.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

When a higher number is unstable then yes, that brings down the average stability of the entire group. That's how math and statistics works. Didn't you learn that in college?

Yes, I understand it brings down the average stability of the entire group.

Can you give me one single example in which the average for a group is legally used condemn the entire group? Or would this qualify as prejudice?

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

I believe that the government should just get out of the marriage business altogether. There should be a domestic partner contract that can be made between ANY two consenting adults that has nothing to do with the sexual relationship or familial relationship of the two parties.

This should be what true conservatives seek. But instead they seek approval, benefits and protection from the nanny state.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

It was and is a choice for you, me, and everyone in between. The explaination was given, a brief summerization was done, and the logic follows except when one chooses to ignore it.

Let's try a new game. Prove to me it wasnt a choice. That nobody can choose to be gay or straight.

You want her to prove she didn't choose? How, exactly, does one do that?

I have numerous male friends that I can say I would die for. But I am not wired in such a way as to be romantically or sexually attracted to them. I never have been. I have had an attraction to girls since well before puberty.

 

[I'm Watermark]

I believe that the government should just get out of the marriage business altogether. There should be a domestic partner contract that can be made between ANY two consenting adults that has nothing to do with the sexual relationship or familial relationship of the two parties.

Yeah. The main objections to SSM are religious, and we have a constitution for a reason. Our government shouldn't uphold religious laws.

 

[Phantasmal]

So you have no choice, no chance to go out and sleep with a female, right now? Its been well established by our culture that pleasure knows no sex (pun). You have a choice, and you always will.

"Why is it so very hard for you to comprehend" that your feelings arent the determinent of society? I've established that ultimately its your behavior that determines whether you're gay or straight. How you act, society sees you in relation to it, and how you respond to that interpretation. all action. 'Feeling attraction' has no part in this, save emotions.

You are confusing two different things.

Gay people aren't the detriment to societies, either, that argument is ridiculous.

If that is your argument, I think I am done here.

 

[Phantasmal]

You want her to prove she didn't choose? How, exactly, does one do that?

I have numerous male friends that I can say I would die for. But I am not wired in such a way as to be romantically or sexually attracted to them. I never have been. I have had an attraction to girls since well before puberty.

He doesn't understand this, he must have been sexually stimulated by both sexes and made a conscious decision to choose the opposite sex because of his conditioning and so he believes this is how it works for others.

I, like you, never made a choice, it was purely my body's response to the male stimuli.