Registration WILL lead to CONFISCATION. Don't trust the takers.

you are nowhere near qualified to make that kind of diagnosis, nor are you intelligent enough to understand the issue. your pitiful pacifist ideology may work for you, but you do not have the right to enforce it upon others. your idiotic and hypocritical ideas about the difference between people and government where only force is concerned makes you the crazy person.

Once again you display your government manipulated ideas. If this, then that, with no reasoning in between.
I am not a pacifist. But I am against murder. Can you see how that can be? You are exhibiting all the signs of being a simpleton. It is no wonder you are a right winger, that is the only place for people who were born with a brain but have spent their mature years refusing to use it.
Don't bother to respond in similar vein. You are boring me rigid.
 
Once again you display your government manipulated ideas. If this, then that, with no reasoning in between.
how the hell can my idea of the 2nd Amendment be government manipulated when I believe 'shall not be infringed' means exactly that and government thinks it means 'reasonable restrictions'. Do you see how that makes you look moronic?

I am not a pacifist. But I am against murder. Can you see how that can be? You are exhibiting all the signs of being a simpleton. It is no wonder you are a right winger, that is the only place for people who were born with a brain but have spent their mature years refusing to use it.
Don't bother to respond in similar vein. You are boring me rigid.
slaves are easily bored. their spirit is broken. go make more tax money for your government, slave.
 
You are so manipulated by your own propaganda that you cannot move out of binary thought. I live in Hong Kong, but I am not yellow, I have spent time in Scandinavia but I am not a Viking, I am friendly with catholic priests but I am not a christian. People who want to own a device with which to kill their fellow man are crazy. Full stop. Their nationality, colour or creed matters not one jot. So STFU as you so quaintly say in the colonies and think about amending your amendments.

Which changes nothing. Physician, heal thyself. The society you grew up in is far more violent than the society you believe to be violent. You believe your own "propaganda"... etc.
 
You are so manipulated by your own propaganda that you cannot move out of binary thought. I live in Hong Kong, but I am not yellow, I have spent time in Scandinavia but I am not a Viking, I am friendly with catholic priests but I am not a christian. People who want to own a device with which to kill their fellow man are crazy. Full stop. Their nationality, colour or creed matters not one jot. So STFU as you so quaintly say in the colonies and think about amending your amendments.

LMAO @ 'in the colonies'... that is truly funny.
 
I can see how my imprecise language could make people think that if that statement were taken out of context of the conversation, however context in the actual thread would, in reality bring a deeper understanding of what I was saying. Pretending that you didn't participate or change your 'understanding" of what I was saying as the conversation progressed is simply, IMO, pretense. I don't believe that you are stupid, or incapable of following a conversation, nor do I believe that of Jarod.

The link you provided did make that claim.
 
I gave you all the reason one needs to disregard these rulings as violations of the constitution. nowhere in the entire constitution does it give the courts the power to give the government a compelling interest to restrict the rights of we the people.


No you did not, I gave you R v. W which illistrates that Constitutional Rights are not absolute and when they conflict with a "compelling state interest" they may be limited to the extent necessary to ballance the conflicting interests. That is what I belive background checks and limits on clip sizes would accomplish. Clearly an outright ban on guns would be overbraud, and clearly the states can regulate somewhat. The issue is where that line is drawn, and to disagree with someone about where that line is, a) is not Unconstitutional and b) does not mean you dont understand the Constitution, in fact it means you have a deeper understanding when you realize that limits are allowed.
 
No you did not, I gave you R v. W which illistrates that Constitutional Rights are not absolute and when they conflict with a "compelling state interest" they may be limited to the extent necessary to ballance the conflicting interests. That is what I belive background checks and limits on clip sizes would accomplish. Clearly an outright ban on guns would be overbraud, and clearly the states can regulate somewhat. The issue is where that line is drawn, and to disagree with someone about where that line is, a) is not Unconstitutional and b) does not mean you dont understand the Constitution, in fact it means you have a deeper understanding when you realize that limits are allowed.

Belief without evidence is the height of stupidity.
 
e) The individual in question believes in the constitution and understands that when seconds count the police are minutes away. (All this from an individual who grew up in the most violent society in Europe, which has over five times the violent crime per 100,000 people than the society he is trying to put down.)

How does beliveing in the Constitution equate to a feeling a need to cary a tool with which to kill his fellow citizens? I can see how it MIGHT lead to believing you have a right to carry such a weapon, I dont see how it would equate to feeling a need to do so...
 
No you did not, I gave you R v. W which illistrates that Constitutional Rights are not absolute and when they conflict with a "compelling state interest" they may be limited to the extent necessary to ballance the conflicting interests.
a supreme court decision is not the constitution, so you have not proved your claim.

That is what I belive background checks and limits on clip sizes would accomplish. Clearly an outright ban on guns would be overbraud, and clearly the states can regulate somewhat.
again, 'shall not be infringed' is pretty damned clear. nowhere in the constitution does it say that the courts can limit rights in a government interest.

The issue is where that line is drawn, and to disagree with someone about where that line is, a) is not Unconstitutional and b) does not mean you dont understand the Constitution, in fact it means you have a deeper understanding when you realize that limits are allowed.
the framers of the constitution spent years debating, writing, and ratifying the constitution and the bill of rights. nowhere in any of those numerous documents is there anyone saying that the court has the power to place limits for compelling state interests. In fact, the major point that everyone debated was to ensure that there was only so much the government could do, so they wrote it down.
 
How does beliveing in the Constitution equate to a feeling a need to cary a tool with which to kill his fellow citizens? I can see how it MIGHT lead to believing you have a right to carry such a weapon, I dont see how it would equate to feeling a need to do so...

Well, how does it equate to a "need" to speak out about your beliefs? It isn't a bill of "needs", it is a bill of rights.

Basically, it isn't about the "need". Although where I live it is more necessary, as the police won't be showing up at your house until a good 30 minutes after your call... Even with that minutes away call in the city, the cops are still minutes away when seconds count.
 
Well, how does it equate to a "need" to speak out about your beliefs? It isn't a bill of "needs", it is a bill of rights.

Basically, it isn't about the "need". Although where I live it is more necessary, as the police won't be showing up at your house until a good 30 minutes after your call... Even with that minutes away call in the city, the cops are still minutes away when seconds count.
not to mention the increasing coyote and mountain lion attacks on pets and people.
 
Nope. Legal precedent has already been set. Common use and military utility already apply.


I think you're overstating it quite a bit. In the Heller opinion Scalia suggested that military-style weapons might be lawfully banned:

Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. See, e.g., Sheldon, in 5 Blume 346; Rawle 123; Pomeroy 152–153; Abbott333. For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. See, e.g., State v. Chandler, 5 La. Ann., at 489–490; Nunn v. State, 1 Ga., at 251; see generally 2 Kent *340, n. 2; The American Students’ Blackstone 84, n. 11 (G. Chase ed. 1884). Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment , nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.26

We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of “dangerous and unusual weapons.” See 4 Blackstone 148–149 (1769); 3 B. Wilson, Works of the Honourable James Wilson 79 (1804); J. Dunlap, The New-York Justice 8 (1815); C. Humphreys, A Compendium of the Common Law in Force in Kentucky 482 (1822); 1 W. Russell, A Treatise on Crimes and Indictable Misdemeanors 271–272 (1831); H. Stephen, Summary of the Criminal Law 48 (1840); E. Lewis, An Abridgment of the Criminal Law of the United States 64 (1847); F. Wharton, A Treatise on the Criminal Law of the United States 726 (1852). See also State v. Langford, 10 N. C. 381, 383–384 (1824); O’Neill v. State, 16Ala. 65, 67 (1849); English v. State, 35Tex. 473, 476 (1871); State v. Lanier, 71 N. C. 288, 289 (1874).

It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service—M-16 rifles and the like—may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment ’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html
 
Well, how does it equate to a "need" to speak out about your beliefs? It isn't a bill of "needs", it is a bill of rights.

Basically, it isn't about the "need". Although where I live it is more necessary, as the police won't be showing up at your house until a good 30 minutes after your call... Even with that minutes away call in the city, the cops are still minutes away when seconds count.

"Need" was the word you were responding to, not my word. I agree with the currently quoted post, not the "need" part about the one I quoted above.

I have a gun, I am not against guns. I feel its the responsable to have a gun that is safely locked and away from my young children. I also lock the door at night. Dispite the fact that Ive never experienced a problem.
 
"Need" was the word you were responding to, not my word. I agree with the currently quoted post, not the "need" part about the one I quoted above.

I have a gun, I am not against guns. I feel its the responsable to have a gun that is safely locked and away from my young children. I also lock the door at night. Dispite the fact that Ive never experienced a problem.

My word, since you don't "need" it you should throw it away.

I answered the "need" part in that post as well, I notice you just skipped over that. I'd suggest stop requiring "need" to exercise a right though, otherwise they aren't rights any longer they are something you can only do with permission from the nanny state. You better show your "need" or you'll be breaking the law.
 
My word, since you don't "need" it you should throw it away.

I answered the "need" part in that post as well, I notice you just skipped over that. I'd suggest stop requiring "need" to exercise a right though, otherwise they aren't rights any longer they are something you can only do with permission from the nanny state. You better show your "need" or you'll be breaking the law.

I agree, but when asked about your "need" to have a weapon used to kill people, you quoted belife in the Constitution as a reason for that need. I simply pointed out that having a right does not equate to needing that right.
 
I agree, but when asked about your "need" to have a weapon used to kill people, you quoted belife in the Constitution as a reason for that need. I simply pointed out that having a right does not equate to needing that right.

No, I quoted it as why they have a right, I then pointed to the "need" (when seconds count the cops are minutes away) and then underlined that although we have weapons, we have far less violent crime than the society the poster grew up in. That you only read a portion, then pretend that the rest of the post doesn't exist doesn't change that it was there.

Imagine living in a place, like me, where wild animals actually threaten pets, children and livestock... tell me how I don't "need" to have a gun again. Tell me how I shouldn't carry it and have to run home to get it if we are threatened by that wildlife... tell me how I should call the cops and wait sometimes hours before the cops will show up and that I shouldn't have access to a tool that can protect me because some nutjob took advantage of (legislated) unprotected children (they even announce it with signs).
 
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