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Tell the truth, did anyone actually read this post all the way through?
do you think gwb made the right decision when he decided to invade iraq?
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Tell the truth, did anyone actually read this post all the way through?
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I got as far as "I'm not gonna blame Bush," which is all anyone ever needs to know about bravo.
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Really? What has Obama done to do so?
1) Iraq departure went according to the time line set forth by Bush and the Iraqi government
2) Ten years of intel gathering led to the killing of Osama
3) Obama has escalated dramatically the war in Afghanistan
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Me too!
Thank god you two didn't expose yourselves to learning something so at leastone of you could actually address the post or refute the facts.....
Thats how I determine a win.....no intelligent response to whats posted, just an attempt at clever nonsense or topic change, etc.....
Snarla and Snarly, wallow in their ignorance....go back under the rocks and live happily ever after....
Why would anyone of sound mind read what Bravo writes?
Are you ever going to learn to read and comprehend whats actually written....
I didn't claim there is no right and wrong....I said that that wasn't the point.....
"A decision YOU make today is made in good faith with the facts you believe today....certainly not with information you find out at a later time." "
You say the case for war was 'falling apart'.....I say that the full Congress, knowing what they knew, believing what they believed...voted for the use of
our armed forces against Iraq....war.....and Bush went ahead on that authority......and certainly that Congress knew more than the public did at the time.
Yes, it turns out the intell was faulty, the WMD (that most believed existed) was not there....the dozens of UN Resolutions against Saddam were inaccurate, notwithstanding
the fact that they were PASSED with UNANIMOUS VOTES in the UN involving dozens of world leaders....thats all true and undeniable as was found out AFTER the invasion and ouster of Saddam.....
This fact remains....."A decision YOU make today is made in good faith with the facts you believe today"....that is a truth about all of us....you, me, rich and poor, beggers and Presidents.....thats what you simply fail to grasp in your narrow, partisan, mind....
Its as simple as the decision to take an umbrella with you when you go out....why take it?, ....because you must obviously think you're going to need it....
whether it actually rains or not, is irrelevant to making the decision.....I can't make it any easier....even a buffoon like must understand it.
Thats the point I've been making for years....I don't condemn Clinton for bombing Iraq in 93 and 98, killing Iraqis....I'm sure he did what he did in the belief that
if was the right thing to do.....and thats the point....I'm sure Obama is aware of his now record number of our soldiers KIA in Afghanistan and sure he is doing
what he feels is the right thing no matter how it turns out in the future....I'm sure you'll agree with that.
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All Republicans and Some Democrats... A substantual number of Democrats voted against it. President Obama, while not a Congressman at the time came out against it because he said, Bush had not made the case for war.
1) Do you have anythign to back that claim up, I believe its a myth.
2) True, but Obama made the final call.
3) Good.
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Man, is that umbrella analogy horrific. It tops Dixie's "family driving to Disneyland" analogy regarding Iraq a few years back.
Umbrella-ella-ella-ella. Once I start singing that, I can't get it out of my head.
Umbrella-ella-ella-ella. Once I start singing that, I can't get it out of my head.
Somebody posted this list of Obama's decisions
since becoming president, Barack Obama has:
-20,000 Airstrikes in the President's First Term Cause Death and Destruction From Iraq to Somalia.
-Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
-Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
-Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
-Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
-Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
-Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
-Maintained a presence in Iraq even after "ending" the war.
-Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
-Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.
-Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
-Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia.
-Opened a military base in Chile.
-Touted nuclear power, even after the disaster in Japan.
-Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
-Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
-Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
-Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
-Deported a modern-record 1.5 million immigrants.
-Continued Bush's rendition program.
-Made permenant 98% of the Bush Tax Cuts
http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html
Has every one proven to be the 'right' decision...or don't we even know yet what the results will be....
You just don't get it do you.....serious debate with an ass like you is just not possible....you never actually refute anything, you just bluster and blow smoke, like
the moron you are....
you're dismissed.
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Going to war is a last resort, you imbecile. It isn't like taking an umbrella out "in case it rains."
You want 'serious debate' with that kind of idiocy? Really?
Considering what we thought to be truth at the time, and what had just happened, it was the only course of action.
I love how if you want to discuss Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, the same cons who get upset that Obama BLAMES Bush will jump up and down and scream about how Obama is worse....
They wont discuss Bush at all. They run as fast as they can.....
This thread is about Bush's decision to invade Iraq. Id be happy to discuss Obama's forign policy... but lets address this topic first, or are you afraid your messiah will be brought down?
They wont discuss Bush at all. They run as fast as they can.....
This thread is about Bush's decision to invade Iraq. Id be happy to discuss Obama's forign policy... but lets address this topic first, or are you afraid your messiah will be brought down?
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It's important to never allow the Bushies to rewrite the history on this one. This was an admin that was hellbent on war with Iraq from 2001 on, even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and was never a threat to the U.S.
We've got Paul O'Neil talking about how they needed to find "something on Iraq" after 9/11; we've got British intelligence stating that the "intel was being fixed around the policy"; we've got Powell's top aide saying that he was given a "chinese menu" of intel and told to make a case for war; we've got Wolfowicz saying that they "decided" on WMD's as the reason to go to war, because it could be sold to the public.
They never looked for a single reason not to go. It was all about selling an unnecessary war to the American people.
We've got Paul O'Neil talking about how they needed to find "something on Iraq" after 9/11; we've got British intelligence stating that the "intel was being fixed around the policy"; we've got Powell's top aide saying that he was given a "chinese menu" of intel and told to make a case for war; we've got Wolfowicz saying that they "decided" on WMD's as the reason to go to war, because it could be sold to the public.
They never looked for a single reason not to go. It was all about selling an unnecessary war to the American people.
We had just been attacked by terrorists, we believed at that time Saddam had wmds which could be given to terrorist organizations to use against us. Saddam would not allow inspectors to do their job, I wouldn't take any chances either.