Same-sex couples begin marrying

Rana said:
It is where you are missing the mark, my girlfriend denied her true nature for twenty years, she married, had children acted hetrosexual, but she wasnt and she realized it. She got tired of living a lie.

This is what you fail to understand. Changing you actions does not change your orientation. It is why, or at least one of the reasons for the high suicide rate amongst homosexuals.

You invest more emotion in this subject then you are able to admit, and your agenda is obvious from some of your other posts,
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thank you for your storey about your girlfriend

one of our family members was homosexual for a while and then became bisexual, she felt that was a better solution

i work for a few years for the san francisco ballet as a programmer and my boss was gay, i have to admit that i was still a bit homophobic (our adoptive father molested my brothers and i) at the time, but he was the nicest boss i ever had

so were some of the other homosexuals (both male and female) there, they were nice people too

it helped me get over most of my remaining homophobia
 
pisskop said:
I try to base my stances upon secular foundations because I find almost everyone understands science.

But I'm saying itd be the act. 'Temptation' presents itself to differing people in differing ways.
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Okay so being Gay is not the sin, having gay sex is the sin. Is that a correct statement?
 
pisskop said:
I try to base my stances upon secular foundations because I find almost everyone understands science.

But I'm saying itd be the act. 'Temptation' presents itself to differing people in differing ways.
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Everyone understand science but yourself.
 
Jarod said:
Okay so being Gay is not the sin, having gay sex is the sin. Is that a correct statement?
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Nope. Being gay is having gay sex. homosexuality is defined by the action.

Rana said:
Everyone understand science but yourself.
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I can't fully understand what you are implying, but Id hope by now you arent accusing me of ignoring science . . . perhaps just the clearly biased studies :bleh:
 
pisskop said:
Nope. Being gay is having gay sex. homosexuality is defined by the action.


I can't fully understand what you are implying, but Id hope by now you arent accusing me of ignoring science . . . perhaps just the clearly biased studies :bleh:
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so if you are sexually attracted to the same sex, but do not act on it you are not homosexual?

i just cannot agree with you on this subject
 
pisskop said:
Nope. Being gay is having gay sex. homosexuality is defined by the action.


I can't fully understand what you are implying, but Id hope by now you arent accusing me of ignoring science . . . perhaps just the clearly biased studies :bleh:
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I am accusing you of ignoring science.
 
pisskop said:
And Id accuse you of ignoring anything that doesnt suit your views.
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Hmmm, I see that coming from you more than myself. Using your own paper as the proof of your argument, what other "proof" have you given that I have missed. I can give you sites by reputable scientist which state homosexuality is not a choice. You haven't shown me anything, plus your homophobic comments, shows your agenda.
 
you've shown me nothing that proves it isnt a choice. I never used my own paper to prove anything either. You know that. In fact, That thing didnt exist until after I debated here.

Everyone has no problem accusing rapists of rape, the businessman of achieving his position of his own volition, or the basketball player of training to reach his dream but homosexuals are just that way :rolleyes: You can disclaim it all you want now that we're through debating. That is, after all, a viable strategy. A true sophist would recommend it.
 
Rana said:
As one educated gentlemen put it, "you are born into homosexuality, it is not a deliberate act"
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However having sex is... I may be "born" heterosexual, but having sex is still a choice.

There may be many reasons that somebody may not want to act just because they were born in some way. I'll never understand this argument anyway. Why should I care if somebody wants to be with a dude? It's their life, their junk, their wants and/or needs... so long as there is informed consent I couldn't care less if they have a governmentally blessed relationship...
 
pisskop said:
you've shown me nothing that proves it isnt a choice. I never used my own paper to prove anything either. You know that. In fact, That thing didnt exist until after I debated here.

Everyone has no problem accusing rapists of rape, the businessman of achieving his position of his own volition, or the basketball player of training to reach his dream but homosexuals are just that way :rolleyes: You can disclaim it all you want now that we're through debating. That is, after all, a viable strategy. A true sophist would recommend it.
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What stupid comparisons. None of those are in any way comparison to sexual orientation, you are comparing apples to oranges and are too stupid to realize it.
 
pisskop said:
you've shown me nothing that proves it isnt a choice. I never used my own paper to prove anything either. You know that. In fact, That thing didnt exist until after I debated here.

Everyone has no problem accusing rapists of rape, the businessman of achieving his position of his own volition, or the basketball player of training to reach his dream but homosexuals are just that way :rolleyes: You can disclaim it all you want now that we're through debating. That is, after all, a viable strategy. A true sophist would recommend it.
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Based on current research, the U.S. medical and mental-health associations have concluded that sexual orientation is*not a choice.
 
pisskop said:
you've shown me nothing that proves it isnt a choice. I never used my own paper to prove anything either. You know that. In fact, That thing didnt exist until after I debated here.

Everyone has no problem accusing rapists of rape, the businessman of achieving his position of his own volition, or the basketball player of training to reach his dream but homosexuals are just that way :rolleyes: You can disclaim it all you want now that we're through debating. That is, after all, a viable strategy. A true sophist would recommend it.
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http://www.affa-sc.org/affa/AFFA SGO Notebook 5-23-05.pdf
 
Yeah, trust these guys to tell the truth.

Alliance for Full Acceptance
PO Box 22088
Charleston, South Carolina 29413-22088
Phone: 843.883.0343
Fax: 843.723.3859
website: www.affa-sc.org
e-mail: info@affa-sc.org


Don't be impressed by that lovely list of agencies and organizations on the top (we've already covered APA, btw). These guys are gay rights advocates, of course they advocate this.

I have my info, you have yours. I apparently can't change your mind and I have no further interest in discussing this. Let people decide for themselves without the spam.
 
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