Bad News For the Keystone XL

Superfreak said:
lol... so because eventually (which can be anywhere from tomorrow-100 years in the future) it will have an accident, we shouldn't build it?

Planes eventually have accidents. So do auto's. So do buildings. Etc... nothing is meant to last forever. It is blatantly silly to pretend that because things eventually break down, we shouldn't build them to begin with.
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Build them, but choose the route that if there is a leak the least amount of damage will be incurred. You must also maintain them!
 
Superfreak said:
Enlighten me on the corrosives of the oil and how fast that will occur. Also, do you think the oil companies have never transported such oil before?
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i posted an article on the keystone pipeline on the app forum a week or two ago. it has the information that you want.

as for tar sand oil, no, to the best of my knowledge, it has not been used before. there is an extensive supply in Canada, but crude oil is what other petroleum companies deal with and it has a corrosiveness of its own (depending on the sulfur content). i think that Canada should refine the oil and ship the refinery output via pipelines or rail to the u s.

i do not know if the link to the article is still valid, however, i did a cut and paste and the information should still be there.
 
Don Quixote said:
let's start win #1, i think it should be refined in Canada and the refinery output shipped to the u s.
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They do not have the refining capacity. Texas does. Saying it should be refined there is all fine and good... but it is not what either country desires. We want to open up our own capacity that is available and Canada wants to avoid building out capacity as the price of oil has to remain high for the sand tar oil to be produced economically. If they build out capacity and prices drop, they are stuck with the refineries and nothing to refine.
 
Superfreak said:
They do not have the refining capacity. Texas does. Saying it should be refined there is all fine and good... but it is not what either country desires. We want to open up our own capacity that is available and Canada wants to avoid building out capacity as the price of oil has to remain high for the sand tar oil to be produced economically. If they build out capacity and prices drop, they are stuck with the refineries and nothing to refine.
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one question, how can a pipeline be built from Canada to Texas without crossing waterways which are most susceptible to damage from a spill (see previous comments about tar sand oil being heavier than water)
 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla said:
So no more manufacturing then huh? Or is Canadian environment not connected to ours and therefore not worth worrying over?
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1. since when did i say no more manufacturing?
2. if the tar sands are not moved from the tar sand site, but directly from the site to a refinery, then how so?
 
Block Keystone XL Pipeline!!!

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Howey said:
I didn't say that did I?
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Well of COURSE you didn't...

But as is so typical...it's the usual tactic of the Right to make an outlandish claim like SF has just done with his bullshit claim that since people want some kind of regulation of the oil and gas industry, why then we MUST want to stop transporting ALL OIL...it's hyperbolic bullshit and it's standard practice.
 
Don Quixote said:
one question, how can a pipeline be built from Canada to Texas without crossing waterways which are most susceptible to damage from a spill (see previous comments about tar sand oil being heavier than water)
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How can ships cross the ocean without leaking oil? How can buildings be built without falling down? What is asphalt made of?

That said, to answer your question, they have mapped it out to cross as little water as possible. You act like they are just going to use shoddy construction on the pipelines and that leaks are a guarantee in the near future. Bottom line is you can what if your way out of doing anything. I can do the same for buildings in tornado zones, anywhere in CA or any other fault line, anywhere on the gulf or east coast that is susceptible to hurricanes etc... We can do it with bridges as well. No matter what we do, there will always be inherent dangers/risks that are associated. Even doing nothing has risks.

What if Canada builds the pipelines and does a shoddy job and the oil leaks up there? You think our water supply is safer?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Well of COURSE you didn't...

But as is so typical...it's the usual tactic of the Right to make an outlandish claim like SF has just done with his bullshit claim that since people want some kind of regulation of the oil and gas industry, why then we MUST want to stop transporting ALL OIL...it's hyperbolic bullshit and it's standard practice.
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which is exactly what did not happen. not even close.
 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla said:
Shouldn't have children either, they're just gonna die.
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Oh the HYPERBOLE!

Superfreak said:
Let the war on children be reborn!
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Behold a point unfettered by anything as fanciful as "the truth"...

Superfreak said:
yet most of the same people that oppose pipelines want to build high speed trains... wonder what those will do to local wildlife? Did they not just post about a train wreck in this thread? What happens when that train derails?
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And of course next comes the endless diversions...

Lucius Cornelius Sulla said:
Or wind farms. Ever see how wind farms fuck up birds and migration patterns? Not to mention the environmental cost of all the materials involved...
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Diversions...diversions...diversions...as far as the eye can see. Just so long as they don't have to discuss the oil company culpability in this latest spill.

Superfreak said:
Right now only one word is going through thier minds... SHIT

No...no that's not quite it...

Because they just realized how ignorant their position is.
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We've just enjoyed another hearty round of obfuscation and diversion by two pathetic Righties...and nothing shouts ignorant like watching two Righties spewing the same ridiculous excuses over and over...ROTFLMAO!
 
Howey said:
If the Pegasus pipeline wasn't maintained what guarantee do we have Keystone will be?
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EXACTLY!!


We now have definitive proof going back 70 years that the oil companies will not do the maintenance necessary to keep these pipelines safe and well maintained.
 
Superfreak said:
How can ships cross the ocean without leaking oil? How can buildings be built without falling down? What is asphalt made of?

That said, to answer your question, they have mapped it out to cross as little water as possible. You act like they are just going to use shoddy construction on the pipelines and that leaks are a guarantee in the near future. Bottom line is you can what if your way out of doing anything. I can do the same for buildings in tornado zones, anywhere in CA or any other fault line, anywhere on the gulf or east coast that is susceptible to hurricanes etc... We can do it with bridges as well. No matter what we do, there will always be inherent dangers/risks that are associated. Even doing nothing has risks.

What if Canada builds the pipelines and does a shoddy job and the oil leaks up there? You think our water supply is safer?
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Well if you're comfortable with the thought of a potential oil leak, then why don't you allow the oil companies to put their pipeline through your property?
 
Superfreak said:
So you think we should stop transporting all oil? If not, what exactly is your solution? What viable option is available today that will allow us to stop using oil?
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Now you see why administrators are hesitant to fast track these sort of permits. They'll get a lot of crap over this, including from those on the right who wanted them to fast track the permitting. It's bad enough when these spills occur away from habitation, like the gulf spill but things become eminantly more complicated when they occur near habitation and private property and public health are impacted.
 
Superfreak said:
Enlighten me on the corrosives of the oil and how fast that will occur. Also, do you think the oil companies have never transported such oil before?
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ZappasGuitar said:
Well of COURSE you didn't...

But as is so typical...it's the usual tactic of the Right to make an outlandish claim like SF has just done with his bullshit claim that since people want some kind of regulation of the oil and gas industry, why then we MUST want to stop transporting ALL OIL...it's hyperbolic bullshit and it's standard practice.
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Yes. Also notice that when he's refusing to give sources for his DixieFacts*, he's demanding them from us.


*DixieFact: An unsubstantiated claim based on what the voices in your head are saying.
 
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