Would you vote for a socialist presidential candidate?

Would you vote for a socialist presidential candidate?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 38.5%

  • No

    Votes: 8 61.5%
  • Total voters
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Libertad! said:
Would you vote for a socialist presidential candidate?
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I don't know. I'm leaning towards no...but I do kind of like Bernie Sanders, who is a Democratic Socialist.

It would probably depend on how extreme he/she is and whether we are talking like..."Extreme Makeover: Government Edition"... or just some well needed tweaking of our Capitalist system.
 
cawacko said:
What about communism or authoritarianism like the old Soviet style?
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Authoritarianiasm is right wing, not left. Communism is not authoritarianism. Communism does not exist in any national government. Communism is an ideal which drives good, fair minded men to improve society.
 
Lowaicue said:
Authoritarianiasm is right wing, not left. Communism is not authoritarianism. Communism does not exist in any national government. Communism is an ideal which drives good, fair minded men to improve society.
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That may be true in theory, but you have to admit that real world applications of the ideology have not been positive. The thing is....fair minded people are tough to find in great numbers. That's when Government has to decide what's fair for all....and that tends to leads to authoritarianism.

I'm not saying it's a bad ideal....just that it's ridiculously hard to implement without being authoritarian.
 
Steelplate said:
That may be true in theory, but you have to admit that real world applications of the ideology have not been positive. The thing is....fair minded people are tough to find in great numbers. That's when Government has to decide what's fair for all....and that tends to leads to authoritarianism.

I'm not saying it's a bad ideal....just that it's ridiculously hard to implement without being authoritarian.
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I agree. But when did something that is difficult stop you?
 
Steelplate said:
That may be true in theory, but you have to admit that real world applications of the ideology have not been positive. The thing is....fair minded people are tough to find in great numbers. That's when Government has to decide what's fair for all....and that tends to leads to authoritarianism.

I'm not saying it's a bad ideal....just that it's ridiculously hard to implement without being authoritarian.
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Well, those expressions didn't exactly "lead to authoritarianism". They were doomed from the start.
 
Steelplate said:
Well, explain to me how you get an entire population to buy into it without forcing them to give up the old ways?
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Counter-hegemony. We've seen that humans are predisposed to collectivism - the guilds, village communities, various religious and secular communes, the success of anarchism and co-ops -, so all that's left is to foster that part of our nature, and provide a means of putting it into public decisions. So, I'd say the best way forward is to have a party - using the NRA's current strategy, which is reminiscent of Trotsky - as a means of organizing a popular movement against the government.
 
Steelplate said:
I don't know. I'm leaning towards no...but I do kind of like Bernie Sanders, who is a Democratic Socialist.

It would probably depend on how extreme he/she is and whether we are talking like..."Extreme Makeover: Government Edition"... or just some well needed tweaking of our Capitalist system.
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Hes a Socialist Democrat...like most Democrats....he just have the balls to admit it.
 
Lowaicue said:
Authoritarianiasm is right wing, not left. Communism is not authoritarianism. Communism does not exist in any national government. Communism is an ideal which drives good, fair minded men to improve society.
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What an idiot....to stupid to deserve a serious response.
 
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