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Red Mule said:
Then history must be ludicrous, because that's what happened.

The point being that the PEOPLE didn't change their generations long prejudices. They just dumped the old organization that used to cater to their prejudices (Dems) and joined the other organization (Repbs) that now catered to them. It was explained by Nixon's political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it, but merely popularized it. In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence: From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats...

Reference: Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

You can choose to be in denial all you like, but facts is facts.

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Wait... What thread is this anyway. I find myself arguing a totally different issue than described in the thread title. Not on purpose, I assure you.
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damnedstanky's reply to this will be basically to hold both hands over his ears, close his eyes, and talk really loudly. Then, later, he can claim, once again, that the southern strategy is just an awful fiction created by those lying libruls.
 
DamnYankee said:
So?

It's ludicrous to suggest that a group of people used to thinking one way will suddenly switch to the opposing party over one issue, especially when its supposedly a code-word like "southern strategy" or "states rights". The South turned to the GOP gradually because the folks who used to be poor and powerless found a voice as their economy improved. That, and the huge immigration of people from the North who got tired of northeast liberalism.
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You know what? I'm not going to get into a long, drawn out argument with a racist imbecile, again. I really don't care what you believe, choose to believe or support. I have posted the link to the parties switching ideologies, numerous times, and am not inclined to do so again. You have not and evidently cannot provide documentation to support your assertions (mainly, because there are none)....so, prattle and "dribble" on. No one is paying any attention. Opinion isn't truth.
 
DamnYankee said:
I understand that silly "theory" and have exposed it as a lie many times.
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DamnYankee said:
So?

It's ludicrous to suggest that a group of people used to thinking one way will suddenly switch to the opposing party over one issue, especially when its supposedly a code-word like "southern strategy" or "states rights". The South turned to the GOP gradually because the folks who used to be poor and powerless found a voice as their economy improved. That, and the huge immigration of people from the North who got tired of northeast liberalism.
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Damn. How many times will I have to trot this out??

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Red Mule said:
Then history must be ludicrous, because that's what happened.

The point being that the PEOPLE didn't change their generations long prejudices. They just dumped the old organization that used to cater to their prejudices (Dems) and joined the other organization (Repbs) that now catered to them. It was explained by Nixon's political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it, but merely popularized it. In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence: From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats...

Reference: Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

You can choose to be in denial all you like, but facts is facts.

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Wait... What thread is this anyway. I find myself arguing a totally different issue than described in the thread title. Not on purpose, I assure you.
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Nixon's other political strategist disagrees with that assessment completely. So no, it's not facts.
 
poet said:
You know what? I'm not going to get into a long, drawn out argument with a racist imbecile, again. I really don't care what you believe, choose to believe or support. I have posted the link to the parties switching ideologies, numerous times, and am not inclined to do so again. You have not and evidently cannot provide documentation to support your assertions (mainly, because there are none)....so, prattle and "dribble" on. No one is paying any attention. Opinion isn't truth.
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Keep your mind closed then, but let me ask you, has the Democrat Party's policies since they finally signed on to the GOP's initiatives of Civil Rights and Affirmative Action helped black families or hurt them?
 
DamnYankee said:
Keep your mind closed then, but let me ask you, has the Democrat Party's policies since they finally signed on to the GOP's initiatives of Civil Rights and Affirmative Action helped black families or hurt them?
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DY, if you don't think things are better for African Americans now than in the pre-60s, then you are really weird.
 
tekkychick said:
DY, if you don't think things are better for African Americans now than in the pre-60s, then you are really weird.
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A study that compares census data from today with data from the past 130 years is offering new insights into the debate over the explosion of single-parent households, particularly among blacks. For 80 years, from 1880 to 1960, the proportion of black children living with a single parent held steady around 30 percent, according to the new research by the University of Minnesota. During the same time, the proportion of white children living with one parent stayed at about 10 percent. But in recent years, those figures have climbed - to 63 percent for black children and 19 percent for white. The new study by Steven Ruggles, a University of Minnesota history professor, is one of the first generated by a university project that, for the first time, allows scholars to compare census data back to the 1860s.
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http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/strib94.html

I must be weird then. Do you think this is good?
 
wow. One data point.

How about the right to vote? How about we now have an African American man as president, unimaginable in the 50s.

How about African Americans are lawyers, doctors, programmers, sales people, etc etc etc - again unimaginable in the 50s.

Single parent households are increasing in general. Are they good? Are they bad? well - it just depends.
 
tekkychick said:
wow. One data point.

How about the right to vote? How about we now have an African American man as president, unimaginable in the 50s.

How about African Americans are lawyers, doctors, programmers, sales people, etc etc etc - again unimaginable in the 50s.

Single parent households are increasing in general. Are they good? Are they bad? well - it just depends.
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So the rise in single parent households, the major cause for poverty among children, doesn't bother you. How nice.
 
DamnYankee said:
So the rise in single parent households, the major cause for poverty among children, doesn't bother you. How nice.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/brycecovert/2012/07/16/the-rise-and-downfall-of-single-mothers/

While that difference used to be attributed mostly to race, education seems to be the determining factor now: as recently as 1990, only 10% of the births to white women with some postsecondary education but no college degree were outside of marriage. Today it’s tripled to 30%. It’s even worse for women with a high school degree or less: the figure is 60% for them.

Meanwhile, it’s 8% for women with a college degree of any race. The divergence also relates to income. As DeParle writes, “Forty years ago, the top and middle income thirds had virtually identical family patterns: more than 95 percent of households with children in either tier had two parents in the home. Since then the groups have diverged… 88 percent at the top have two parents, but just 71 percent do in the middle.”
 
poet said:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brycecovert/2012/07/16/the-rise-and-downfall-of-single-mothers/

While that difference used to be attributed mostly to race, education seems to be the determining factor now: as recently as 1990, only 10% of the births to white women with some postsecondary education but no college degree were outside of marriage. Today it’s tripled to 30%. It’s even worse for women with a high school degree or less: the figure is 60% for them.

Meanwhile, it’s 8% for women with a college degree of any race. The divergence also relates to income. As DeParle writes, “Forty years ago, the top and middle income thirds had virtually identical family patterns: more than 95 percent of households with children in either tier had two parents in the home. Since then the groups have diverged… 88 percent at the top have two parents, but just 71 percent do in the middle.”
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Don't start getting on blacks because of the lower college rate. Topspin will be all over you with that: "GED, KKK, poor".
 
tekkychick said:
And now you're changing the subject.

Have a great evening, DY! TTFN
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Actually, it's the same subject: has the Democrat Party's policies since they finally signed on to the GOP's initiatives of Civil Rights and Affirmative Action helped black families or hurt them?
 
DamnYankee said:
Don't start getting on blacks because of the lower college rate. Topspin will be all over you with that: "GED, KKK, poor".
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Statistics compiled by whites, designed to demean and demonize blacks.
"Fudged data", is all that is. Blacks are as competitive as whites, darling.
 
DamnYankee said:
Actually, it's the same subject: has the Democrat Party's policies since they finally signed on to the GOP's initiatives of Civil Rights and Affirmative Action helped black families or hurt them?
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it would seem, by their voting behavior that THEY certainly think Tat democrats have helped them. Or maybe they just seem to know that if they voted for y'all, it'd be like shooting themselves in the foot
 
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