What's so bad about what Donald Trump said?

cawacko said:
That was against a particular country and even then he still allowed for humanitarian outs. We aren't going to let some rich Muslim dude from Britain here to do business because of ISIS? It's not the same argument.
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“If this oasis of the world should be overrun, perverted, contaminated, or destroyed, then the last flickering light of humanity will be extinguished,” Senator McCarran said of the law. He was a Democrat.
Now unlike Muslims, Iranians were not necessarily supportive of Islamic terrorism. Many were and are opponents of it. Khomeini didn't represent Iran as a country, but his Islamist allies. So Trump's proposal is far more legitimate than Carter's action. Carter targeted people by nationality. Trump's proposal does so by ideology.

Classifying Iranians as a group is closer to racism than classifying people by a racist supremacist ideology that calls for the mass murder and enslavement of non-Muslims, as ISIS is doing today.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You also made an unwarranted criticism on Obama's handling of the situation as being "weak" when he has accomplished far more then his predecessor did and his predecessor, along with the GOP who walked in lock step with him are largely if not entirely responsible for the power vacuum that created this mess. There are limits to US power. The US cannot win against ISIL based on the GOP's unilateral military policies. It's a recipe for another Iraq.
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So Obama prematurely pulling all US troops out of Iraq, had nothing to do with creating ISIS?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You also made an unwarranted criticism on Obama's handling of the situation as being "weak" when he has accomplished far more then his predecessor did and his predecessor, along with the GOP who walked in lock step with him are largely if not entirely responsible for the power vacuum that created this mess. There are limits to US power. The US cannot win against ISIL based on the GOP's unilateral military policies. It's a recipe for another Iraq.
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It's unwarranted to call Obama's foreign policy weak? I think a lot of people will disagree with you on that. We can start with Hillary Clinton.
 
NOVA said:
“If this oasis of the world should be overrun, perverted, contaminated, or destroyed, then the last flickering light of humanity will be extinguished,” Senator McCarran said of the law. He was a Democrat.
Now unlike Muslims, Iranians were not necessarily supportive of Islamic terrorism. Many were and are opponents of it. Khomeini didn't represent Iran as a country, but his Islamist allies. So Trump's proposal is far more legitimate than Carter's action. Carter targeted people by nationality. Trump's proposal does so by ideology.

Classifying Iranians as a group is closer to racism than classifying people by a racist supremacist ideology that calls for the mass murder and enslavement of non-Muslims, as ISIS is doing today.
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All Muslims have the same ideology?
 
Irish said:
So Obama prematurely pulling all US troops out of Iraq, had nothing to do with creating ISIS?
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Well since you're fact impaired let us not forget that the pull out was negotiated by the Bush administration and that it was the immoral invasion of Iraq and the de-Bathication policies of the Bush administration that are responsible for the securalization and its resulting power vacuum within Iraq that is entirely responsible for the rise of ISIL. Withdrawing US forces from Iraq has saved uncounted lives of US Military personnel and innocent Iraqi civilians.

When will you far right war mongers hold yourselves accountable for your own incompetency? This is why you are not trusted with National Defense. Blindly striking out to kill those who are not just like you are the only solution you have. This is why you fail.
 
NOVA said:
“If this oasis of the world should be overrun, perverted, contaminated, or destroyed, then the last flickering light of humanity will be extinguished,” Senator McCarran said of the law. He was a Democrat.
Now unlike Muslims, Iranians were not necessarily supportive of Islamic terrorism. Many were and are opponents of it. Khomeini didn't represent Iran as a country, but his Islamist allies. So Trump's proposal is far more legitimate than Carter's action. Carter targeted people by nationality. Trump's proposal does so by ideology.

Classifying Iranians as a group is closer to racism than classifying people by a racist supremacist ideology that calls for the mass murder and enslavement of non-Muslims, as ISIS is doing today.
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Are you so dumb as to not be able to see that ISIS, (a group that executes more Muslims than Westerners daily, and has a lower standard for beheading Muslims than for beheading Christians) does not represent ALL MUSLIMS, is beyond ignorant. Its stupid.
 
Ok this is random but since everything is so partisan is it only people on the right who use ISIS and people on the left who use ISIL? Is that how we differentiate ourselves when discussing the group?

Edit: Maybe not.
 
cawacko said:
It's unwarranted to call Obama's foreign policy weak? I think a lot of people will disagree with you on that. We can start with Hillary Clinton.
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And most of them have been wrong. What he has not done is exacerbate a bad situation created wholly by his predecessor. It does not take a foreign policy or defense policy expert to understand that doubling down on the failed policies of the previous administration simply will not work. The effort against ISIL must be a "TRUE" international coalition and must be led on the ground by those have the greatest stake and interest. The people of those regions. There is only so much that the U.S. can do and "Bomb them back to the stone age" rhetoric is not only stupid, it will not and it cannot work.

The power vacuum and the other factors causing radicalization in the region absolutely have to be addressed in addition to the military measures to defeat ISIL on the ground but the US simply cannot do that by itself even if we were to occupy the region again, which would only make matters worse.
 
Irish said:
So Obama prematurely pulling all US troops out of Iraq, had nothing to do with creating ISIS?
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Not as much as putting the troops there in the first place.

The troops had to come out eventually, we had to face the music now, or in 25 years. Obama did better than passing the distasteful job on to the next administration.
 
Jarod said:
What trump said illustrates a basic and fatal lack of understanding of America's history, founding principals, and values.

We are brave people who do not discriminate based on religion out of fear.

Give me liberty or give me death was Patrick Henry's call at the time of the founding of our nation, Trump has suggested a major policy that illustrates that his philosophy is opposite of that idea. Trump belongs on a reality television show with Sarah Palin, not leading this great nation.

Republicans, real Republicans, those who are based in the reality of what America is, should be shouting from the rooftops about how afoul Trump is to America and the Republican party. Like the Speaker of the House did!
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How does saying "...until we figure out what the hell is going on...", an illustration of a basic and fatal lack of understanding of America's history?
 
cawacko said:
It's unwarranted to call Obama's foreign policy weak? I think a lot of people will disagree with you on that. We can start with Hillary Clinton.
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She called Obama's foreign policy weak? Simply having a different foreign policy, is not the same as calling Obama's weak.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
How does saying "...until we figure out what the hell is going on...", an illustration of a basic and fatal lack of understanding of America's history?
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Because in America we don't go against our very basic principals, even if its just "..until we figure out what the hell is going on..."

Did Patrick Henry say...

Give me Liberty, after you figure out what's going on, or give me death."

No he said...

"Give me Liberty, or give me death."
 
Patrick Henry's words are calling out all the skeered Republicans running to Daddy Trump for safety...
 
Rana said:
I think every religion has its radical sects that cause terrorism in some form or fashion. The Bible has its books and verses that call for the destruction of those who do not believe, even calling for little children's heads to be dashed upon the rocks.
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What do your Catholic parents have to say about this or are you scared to discuss it with them?
 
Jarod said:
Because in America we don't go against our very basic principals, even if its just "..until we figure out what the hell is going on..."

Did Patrick Henry say...

Give me Liberty, after you figure out what's going on, or give me death."

No he said...

"Give me Liberty, or give me death."
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You're trying to equate a call to arms, against an invading enemy, with that of trying to stop terrorists from entering the US?? :palm:
Unless you're admitting that the Syrian refugees are an invading army!! :dunno:

I see you answered this one; but are just ignoring my other questions.
I wonder why that is?
 
Jarod said:
The ISIS leaders are out preaching daily that the West HATES all Muslims and is out to get them, out to end their way of life and that violence is the only answer to this threat.

They are trying to win the hearts and minds of enough Muslims to keep their armed insurgency going. We don't need our candidates or elected officials giving them a basis for their false argument.
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Actually, they preach straight out of the Koran. Infidels and infidel nations are in the 'House of War' and will be until they submit to Islamic rule.

The rest is fluff and/or propaganda intended for useful idiot consumption. We fight them, they come after us. We don't fight them they come after us.

Sounds like an easy choice.
 
Jarod said:
Not as much as putting the troops there in the first place.

The troops had to come out eventually, we had to face the music now, or in 25 years. Obama did better than passing the distasteful job on to the next administration.
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That is exactly what Obama is doing. The next administration will have to deal with the FP hell Obama left.

If you oppose Bush's invasion, then you are saying secular dictators are the way to go in the ME.
 
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