Are You being LIED to?

Rana said:
Don't you think it makes a difference to the Trumpeteers? Don't you think it is important that he is an Islamic terrorists so they can push their hate of all things Muslim?

I know I just classify him as a very disturbed man who killed and wounded gay people, as do you, but to Trumpsteers, it's important that Donald is right about Muslims
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wait.. so when dylan storm roof shot a bunch of people it was characterized in the media and on this board as a a result of larger systemic issues. But when it's a muslim its just one guy doing a bad thing?
 
Darla said:
Please. I live in NY. I am in Manhattan a couple of times a week, either by LIRR and then the NYC subway, or sometimes I drive which means the Midtown tunnel or the 59th St Bridge. All prime targets. I don't live in a bubble.

I'm just not a pussy.
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wow you are really brave crossing a bridge when on any given day the chances of something bad happening is like > 20,000:1. Keep being such a badass darla!
 
Immolate said:
wait.. so when dylan storm roof shot a bunch of people it was characterized in the media and on this board as a a result of larger systemic issues. But when it's a muslim its just one guy doing a bad thing?
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If he had been white and Christian you can bet that labels would matter then. He wouldn't be simply crazy, he would be a Trump supporter, racist, tea party or whatever else and conservatism and Christianity would be blamed.
 
anatta said:
^ poster child for PC idiocy. Male bashing. Using correct terminology is now politically incorrect and one is labeled a "bigot". in short...mindlessness run amok.

and.... a really dumb feminist comment about "winning wars"..women are integral to the military - there is no needed draft.
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Only an idiot attacks Darla's intelligence.
You can hate her all you want but you will never be smarter than her, not even close.
FYI she is exactly correct about you, your fear is palpable.
 
Immolate said:
does it really matter what we call him? He killed 50 people. He's a murderer.

"Yeah our son is a homophobic murderer, but he's not A TERRORIST! ANYTHING BUT THAT!
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By not identifying it correctly you increase the likelihood of it happening again.
 
Seahawk said:
If he had been white and Christian you can bet that labels would matter then. He wouldn't be simply crazy, he would be a Trump supporter, racist, tea party or whatever else and conservatism and Christianity would be blamed.
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Citation required.
 
Immolate said:
wow you are really brave crossing a bridge when on any given day the chances of something bad happening is like > 20,000:1. Keep being such a badass darla!
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Do you have any idea how many hundreds of thousands of people left NYC since 9-11?

:dealwithit:

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anatta said:
well I give you credit for actually presenting a p.o.v.
it's bogus..but a construct at least.

Look at the last part where you dismiss declaring for Baghdadi ..why would a common criminal do this?
Or would religious fervor ( misguided as it may be) make this last act before the shooting all important as motivator?
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Damn.
I spent 5 paragraphs trying to explain this to you already.
What a waste.

Ok the other edge of the sword is thus but it cuts the same:
Any non-fanatical Iman will verify that this was an act of a terribly sick mind, that death of homosexuals in general is not called for but rather some acts are punishable so.

Again the individual's religous beliefs and bigotry are not what caused this man to kill these people...it was his well known and previously observed mental illness and violent tendancies which caused it.
You can't process this thought any more than a turbo-lib wanna be gun confiscater could.
 
A lot of reports now that the shooter was gay himself. Apparently he has been in this club often, and supposedly he was also on gay dating apps. That will be easy to prove, they'll be on his cell. What does that do to this whole thing?

In this case, with this guy, everything I have read about him, including his threats and text stalking of coworkers, and his ex-wife's statements, and the fact that his father appears to be a nutball, and on and on and on...this appears to be severe, long-term, untreated mental illness.
 
cawacko said:
"Let’s cut though the nonsense and call this horrifying attack what it really is: the worst hate crime in American history."

Interesting. So the occupydemocrats think 50 people getting killed here is worst than hundreds of blacks in Arkansas in 1919? 55 - 300 blacks killed in Tulsa in 1921? 100 blacks killed in East St. Louis in 1917?

Those hate crimes weren't as bad?
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Nobody called the killing of blacks "hate crimes" in those days.
 
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