George Will leaving Republican Party

Mott the Hoople said:
Again, I'm not anti trade. I'm opposed to any economic system where the benefits of prosperity and economic growth are funneled into the hands of a few while everyone else stagnates.
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You said we have a growing economy based on trade. Would you like to see less trade? Do you want more tariffs?
 
cawacko said:
You said we have a growing economy based on trade. Would you like to see less trade? Do you want more tariffs?
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how about trade where instead of outsourcing jobs we do it here instead? Or instead of payig illegals we pay citizens? :)
 
tsuke said:
how about trade where instead of outsourcing jobs we do it here instead? Or instead of payig illegals we pay citizens? :)
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Because technological advances have rendered your desired return to the 1950's a non possibility.
 
cawacko said:
You said we have a growing economy based on trade. Would you like to see less trade? Do you want more tariffs?
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More trade but I want action taken against trade partners who manipulate their currency so as to subsidize their exports and tax our imports. The USD is the de facto currency standard and we need to develop and implement methods that prevents our trade partners from using currency manipulation against the USD to harm our exports, businesses and workers.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
More trade but I want action taken against trade partners who manipulate their currency so as to subsidize their exports and tax our imports. The USD is the de facto currency standard and we need to develop and implement methods that prevents our trade partners from using currency manipulation against the USD to harm our exports, businesses and workers.
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So what has Obama done in his time to fight this? You're saying Republicans support oligarchy with their policy. Candidate Romney said he would label China a currency manipulator his first day in office. Seems like something you would support.
 
cawacko said:
Because technological advances have rendered your desired return to the 1950's a non possibility.
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How is that a return to the 50's? Technology has created a situation where we cannot have the numbers we once had in manufacturing but there comes a point where relying on others abroad to manufacture goods for us becomes both an economic and a national security problem. Particularly when we lose that manufacturing infrastructure and the human capital and skill set needed for it to function.
 
cawacko said:
So what has Obama done in his time to fight this? You're saying Republicans support oligarchy with their policy. Candidate Romney said he would label China a currency manipulator his first day in office. Seems like something you would support.
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it would and Obamas policies on trade have been ineffectual and I would support that but it's not the only issue out there.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
How is that a return to the 50's? Technology has created a situation where we cannot have the numbers we once had in manufacturing but there comes a point where relying on others abroad to manufacture goods for us becomes both an economic and a national security problem. Particularly when we lose that manufacturing infrastructure and the human capital and skill set needed for it to function.
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I've posted multiple articles on what's happening with manufacturing jobs and why they aren't coming back. What's going to happen in ten or twenty years when we have driverless cars for instance and the thousands of people who drive us today lose their jobs as a result. Technology is moving us forward, not backwards. We aren't going to pay someone $25/hr plus benefits to make Nike shoes here.

The Silicon Valley is bringing change at a rapid pace as you know and they are pro-trade and pro-immigration and they vote Democrat. They are very capitalistic and its creating tremendous wealth but also higher levels of income inequality.
 
cawacko said:
Because technological advances have rendered your desired return to the 1950's a non possibility.
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if you dont do it the workers will have no money to buy your products eventually. They are being kept afloat just by creidit now.
 
cawacko said:
I've posted multiple articles on what's happening with manufacturing jobs and why they aren't coming back. What's going to happen in ten or twenty years when we have driverless cars for instance and the thousands of people who drive us today lose their jobs as a result. Technology is moving us forward, not backwards. We aren't going to pay someone $25/hr plus benefits to make Nike shoes here.

The Silicon Valley is bringing change at a rapid pace as you know and they are pro-trade and pro-immigration and they vote Democrat. They are very capitalistic and its creating tremendous wealth but also higher levels of income inequality.
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even fully automated factories generate jobs for the economy :)
 
tsuke said:
if you dont do it the workers will have no money to buy your products eventually. They are being kept afloat just by creidit now.
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Do you think American workers and children are incapable of learning to compete in the 21st century? Because that's essentially what you are saying.
 
cawacko said:
Do you think American workers and children are incapable of learning to compete in the 21st century? Because that's essentially what you are saying.
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I think that the number of "learned" jobs available for them are not enough to sustain the population. and even then when they do qualify for those jobs you just outsource or h1b them to a non citizen.
 
cawacko said:
not at the level you're wishing for
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I think you would be surprised. Robot maintainence, raw materials (which is cheaper to source nearby), white collar jobs, jobs for the places that produce the raw materials, truckers, it is more dispersed but it all adds up.

I wrote about it here and www.trumplican.xyz the article is called "rise of the robots"
 
J Craft said:
It's an encapsulated catch phrase that represents the Democrats election cycles. The policies of Democrats redistribution.

But because I've been around here enough to know that you can split the finest of hairs ten ways from Sunday, I'll concede that those "exact" words weren't uttered, but the notion of vote for me and I'll give you free stuff was clear.
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At least you admit your earlier comment was bullshit just like I claimed...that's a start.

There's a BIG difference between:

"vote for me and get free stuff"

and...

"vote for me and have the 1% pay for ALL your stuff"
 
cawacko said:
To each his own and I'm not going to lose any sleep over Will leaving but I definitely understand his feelings and frustrations. I'm watching my party turn into a whites only, blue collar dominated, nationalistic party that is going to have trouble winning any national elections going forward. Clearly some people like it. I don't happen to be one of them.




'This Is Not My Party': George Will Goes from GOP to Unaffiliated

Conservative columnist George Will told PJM he has officially left the Republican Party and urged conservatives not to support presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump even if it leads to a Democratic victory in the 2016 presidential election.

Will, who writes for the Washington Post, acknowledged it is a “little too late” for the Republican Party to find a replacement for Trump but had a message for Republican voters.

“Make sure he loses. Grit their teeth for four years and win the White House,” Will said during an interview after his speech at a Federalist Society luncheon.

Will said he changed his voter registration this month from Republican to “unaffiliated” in the state of Maryland.

“This is not my party,” Will said during his speech at the event.

He mentioned House Speaker Paul Ryan’s (R-Wis.) endorsement of Trump as one of the factors that led him to leave the party.

Will, a Fox News contributor, said a “President Trump” with “no opposition” from a Republican-led Congress would be worse than a Hillary Clinton presidency with a Republican-led Congress.

Will did not say if he would vote for the Libertarian Party nominee, former Gov. Gary Johnson (R-N.M.), telling the crowd he does not know whether or not the Libertarian ticket is going to help or hurt Clinton.


https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/0...ty-george-will-goes-from-gop-to-unaffiliated/
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:clink::clink::clink::clink::clink:
 
Jarod said:
R's can win but they have to dump the xenophobia and evangelical / fundamentalist religious right. Economically they have good arguments but they got left behind socially.
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??? Then there isn't much left in many states..??
 
Bill said:
??? Then there isn't much left in many states..??
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There are millions of conservative evangelicals voters in this country and Jarod thinks Republicans should drop them? Would be curious where he thinks they will pick up the new voters from to replace them.
 
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