One thing you forget about SE asia is that our main proxy the philippines turned on us. It is not a coincidence out of all the countries there they had the boats guarding spratleys and they were the ones who filed the case in UNCLOS.
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One thing you forget about SE asia is that our main proxy the philippines turned on us. It is not a coincidence out of all the countries there they had the boats guarding spratleys and they were the ones who filed the case in UNCLOS.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Much respect for you brother, and I agree with much of what you say .. but the deaths of thousands of innocent people, women and children, can indeed be laid at the feet of Obama and Hillary Clinton in Libya.
I say that knowing that I'm going to vote for Hillary for president.
Research this .. "Libya Viagra rape story"
I leave your thoughts on it to you .. I am in no position to judge anyone on this.
I seriously doubt you understand anything about Trumps foreign policy.He advocates "transactional" as "America fist" type stuff.
I'm not crazy about it either -but that's not "tearing up" defense agreements.
It's much like renegotiating trade agreements.
Compare that to Clinton's innate interventionism ( Iraq/Syria/Libya). To this day she's advocating getting into the Syria war with a "no fly"
That's how the disaster in Libya started -until she decided "Qaddafi must go"
There is no comparision as to whom is most dangerous -who wants to join every war she sees.
From: Jake Sullivan
Sant: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Mills, Cheryl D; Nuiand, Victoria J
Subject: tidc todc on libya
this is basically off the top of my head, with a few consultations of my notes. but it shows S' Clinton
leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country's libya policy from start to finish, let me know what you
think. toria, who else might be able to add to this?
Secretary Clinton's leadership on Libya
HRC
has been a critical voice on Libya in administration deliberations, at NATO, and in contact group
meetings — as well as the public face of the U.S. effort in Libya. She was instrumental in securing the
authorization, building the coalition, and tightening the noose around Qadhafi and his regime.
February 25 — HRC
announces
the suspension of operations of the Libyan embassy in Washington.
February 26 — HRC directs efforts to evacuate all U.S. embassy personnel from Tripoli and orders the closing of
the embassy.
February 26 HRC made a series of calls to her counterparts to help secure passage of UNSC 1970, which
imposes sanctions on Gaddafi and his family and refers Qadhafi and his cronies to the ICC
February 28 — HRC travels to Geneva, Switzerland for consultations with European partners on Libya. She
gives a major address in which she says: "Colonel Qadhafi and those around him must be held accountable for
these acts, which violate international legal obligations and common decency. Through their actions, they have
lost the legitimacy to govern. And the people of Libya have made themselves clear: It is time for Qadhafi to go
— now, without further violence or delay." She also works to secure the suspension of Libya from membership
in the Human Rights Council.
Early March — HRC appoints Special Envoy Chris Stevens to be the U.S. representative to Benghazi
March 14 — HRC travels to Paris for the G8 foreign minister's meeting. She meets with TNC representative
Jibril and consults with her colleagues on further UN Security Council action. She notes that a no-fly zone will
not be adequate.
March 14-16 — HRC participates in a
series
of high-level video- and teleconferences
She is a leading voice for strong UNSC action and a NA TO civilian
protection mission.
UNCLASSIFIED
Case No. F-2015-04841
Doc No. C05739752
Date: 05/13/2015
March 17— HRC secures Russian abstention and Portuguese and African support for UNSC 1973, ensuring that
it passes. 1973 authorizes a no-fly zone over Libya and "all necessary measures" - code for military action - to
protect civilians against Gaddafts army.
March 24 — HRC engages with allies and secures the transition of command and control of the civilian
protection mission to NATO. She announces the transition in a statement.
March 18-30— HRC engages with UAE, Qatar, and Jordan to seek their participation in coalition
operations. Over the course of several days, all three devote aircraft to the mission.
March 19 —
HRC travels to Paris to meet with European and Arab leaders to prepare for military action to
protect civilians. That night, the first U.S. air strikes halt the advance of Gaddafi's forces on Benghazi and
target Libya's air defenses.
March 29 — HRC
travels to London for a conference on Libya, where she
is a driving force behind the creation
of a Contact Group comprising 20-plus countries to coordinate efforts to protect civilians and plan for a post-
Qadhafi Libya. She is instrumental in setting up a rotating chair system to ensure regional buy-in.
April 14— HRC travels to Berlin for NATO meetings. She is the driving force behind NATO adopting a
communique that calls for Qadhafi's
departure as a political objective, and lays out three clear military
objectives: end of attacks and threat of attacks on civilians; the removal of Qadhafi forces from cities they
forcibly entered; and the unfettered provision of humanitarian access.
May 5 — HRC travels to Rome for a Contact Group meeting. The Contact Group establishes a coordination
system and a temporary financial mechanism to funnel money to the TNC.
June 8 — HRC travels to Abu Dhabi for another Contact Group meeting and holds a series of intense discussions
with rebel leaders.
June 12 — HRC travels to Addis for consultations and a speech before the African Union, pressing the case for a
democratic transition in Libya.
July 15 — HRC travels to Istanbul and announces that the U.S. recognizes the TNC as the legitimate government
of Libya. She also secures recognition from the other members of the Contact Group.
Late June — HRC meets with House Democrats and Senate Republicans to persuade them not to de-fund the
Libya operation.
July 16 — HRC sends Feltman, Cretz, and Chollet to Tunis to meet with Qadhafi envoys "to deliver a clear and
firm message that the only way to move forward, is for Qadhafi to step down".
Early August — HRC works to construct a $1.5 billion assets package to be approved by the Security Council
and sent to the TNC. That package is working through its last hurdles.
Early August -- After military chief Abdel Fattah Younes is killed, S sends a personal message to TNC head
Jalil to press for a responsible investigation and a careful and inclusive approach to creating a new executive
council
Early August -- HRC secures written pledges from the TNC to an inclusive, pluralistic democratic
transition.
She continues
to consult with European and Arab colleagues on the evolving situatio
Sant: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Mills, Cheryl D; Nuiand, Victoria J
Subject: tidc todc on libya
this is basically off the top of my head, with a few consultations of my notes. but it shows S' Clinton
leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country's libya policy from start to finish, let me know what you
think. toria, who else might be able to add to this?
Secretary Clinton's leadership on Libya
HRC
has been a critical voice on Libya in administration deliberations, at NATO, and in contact group
meetings — as well as the public face of the U.S. effort in Libya. She was instrumental in securing the
authorization, building the coalition, and tightening the noose around Qadhafi and his regime.
February 25 — HRC
announces
the suspension of operations of the Libyan embassy in Washington.
February 26 — HRC directs efforts to evacuate all U.S. embassy personnel from Tripoli and orders the closing of
the embassy.
February 26 HRC made a series of calls to her counterparts to help secure passage of UNSC 1970, which
imposes sanctions on Gaddafi and his family and refers Qadhafi and his cronies to the ICC
February 28 — HRC travels to Geneva, Switzerland for consultations with European partners on Libya. She
gives a major address in which she says: "Colonel Qadhafi and those around him must be held accountable for
these acts, which violate international legal obligations and common decency. Through their actions, they have
lost the legitimacy to govern. And the people of Libya have made themselves clear: It is time for Qadhafi to go
— now, without further violence or delay." She also works to secure the suspension of Libya from membership
in the Human Rights Council.
Early March — HRC appoints Special Envoy Chris Stevens to be the U.S. representative to Benghazi
March 14 — HRC travels to Paris for the G8 foreign minister's meeting. She meets with TNC representative
Jibril and consults with her colleagues on further UN Security Council action. She notes that a no-fly zone will
not be adequate.
March 14-16 — HRC participates in a
series
of high-level video- and teleconferences
She is a leading voice for strong UNSC action and a NA TO civilian
protection mission.
UNCLASSIFIED
Case No. F-2015-04841
Doc No. C05739752
Date: 05/13/2015
March 17— HRC secures Russian abstention and Portuguese and African support for UNSC 1973, ensuring that
it passes. 1973 authorizes a no-fly zone over Libya and "all necessary measures" - code for military action - to
protect civilians against Gaddafts army.
March 24 — HRC engages with allies and secures the transition of command and control of the civilian
protection mission to NATO. She announces the transition in a statement.
March 18-30— HRC engages with UAE, Qatar, and Jordan to seek their participation in coalition
operations. Over the course of several days, all three devote aircraft to the mission.
March 19 —
HRC travels to Paris to meet with European and Arab leaders to prepare for military action to
protect civilians. That night, the first U.S. air strikes halt the advance of Gaddafi's forces on Benghazi and
target Libya's air defenses.
March 29 — HRC
travels to London for a conference on Libya, where she
is a driving force behind the creation
of a Contact Group comprising 20-plus countries to coordinate efforts to protect civilians and plan for a post-
Qadhafi Libya. She is instrumental in setting up a rotating chair system to ensure regional buy-in.
April 14— HRC travels to Berlin for NATO meetings. She is the driving force behind NATO adopting a
communique that calls for Qadhafi's
departure as a political objective, and lays out three clear military
objectives: end of attacks and threat of attacks on civilians; the removal of Qadhafi forces from cities they
forcibly entered; and the unfettered provision of humanitarian access.
May 5 — HRC travels to Rome for a Contact Group meeting. The Contact Group establishes a coordination
system and a temporary financial mechanism to funnel money to the TNC.
June 8 — HRC travels to Abu Dhabi for another Contact Group meeting and holds a series of intense discussions
with rebel leaders.
June 12 — HRC travels to Addis for consultations and a speech before the African Union, pressing the case for a
democratic transition in Libya.
July 15 — HRC travels to Istanbul and announces that the U.S. recognizes the TNC as the legitimate government
of Libya. She also secures recognition from the other members of the Contact Group.
Late June — HRC meets with House Democrats and Senate Republicans to persuade them not to de-fund the
Libya operation.
July 16 — HRC sends Feltman, Cretz, and Chollet to Tunis to meet with Qadhafi envoys "to deliver a clear and
firm message that the only way to move forward, is for Qadhafi to step down".
Early August — HRC works to construct a $1.5 billion assets package to be approved by the Security Council
and sent to the TNC. That package is working through its last hurdles.
Early August -- After military chief Abdel Fattah Younes is killed, S sends a personal message to TNC head
Jalil to press for a responsible investigation and a careful and inclusive approach to creating a new executive
council
Early August -- HRC secures written pledges from the TNC to an inclusive, pluralistic democratic
transition.
She continues
to consult with European and Arab colleagues on the evolving situatio
Billy Batts
Verified User
I did not forget it, it is not relevant. The Philippines elected a nationalist candidate like Trump. He is playing both sides of the coin, he wants Chinese investments, the Chinese want rights to dock their Naval force. The Philippines has seized North Korean cargo ships that docked at their ports under the U.N sanctions resolution put in place. So I would certainly not write off the Philippines,as a Chinese satellite state, or failed U.S policy in Asia.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
With much respect my friend, nobody understands Trump's foreign policy, not even him. His foreign policy ideas are as contradictory and often times just as ridiculous as his ideas on energy. You're being motivated by politics, not by what's in America's best interests.
His foreign policy amounts to a collection of right-wing memes straight from talk radio. "America first" :0) That's stupid.
You're voting for a guy with NO foreign policy experience whatsoever to be president. No other candidate like Trump for president would have even been seriously considered,
Don't take this the wrong way brother .. but this election exposes the fear and utter desperation of far too many white men .. and I think you may be caught up in that.
Billy Batts
Verified User
Are you joking me? My God go to his website. His comments are well documented, I would have to be living in a forest over the last year not to know his position.
Billy Batts
Verified User
Libya was torn apart by internal conflict that no one seen coming or predicted.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I disagree. Everyone saw it coming .. and we assisted in it blowing up .. in fact, we led it. We used AL Queda as our foot soldiers.
Sending Susan Rice to the UN with the Viagra rape story is analogous to sending Colin Powell to the UN with the vial of 'anthrax.' It's the same thing, lies and false flags to war .. otherwise known as 'just business.'
We should have listened to Eisenhower .. but we didn't.
evince
Truthmatters
facts don't have an expiration date
you have no facts to back your claim
bush and team trashed the DOJ its fact
Oh please with the white men..I get your perspective but that's not what motivates me at all.
I started off with ABC=Anybody But Clinton. Mostly because of Libya/Iraq/Syria.
And then the Emails..showed her imperious nature. and then the ClintonFoundation = showed her corruption.
why in god's name you are voting for a hellacious creature like that is mystifying -but OK it's your vote.
I do agree Trump's foreign policy is squishy -but look at the alternative with Clinton! surely she is bellicose.
The safe bet is to go 3rd party -but i've done that enough,and nothing happens.
Gary Johnson has proved inept, and Jill Stein is frightening socialist
I do think we could renegotiate NAFTA -we're the biggest player;but much of my vote is still ABC.
"Throw the bums out" ( but don't put new corrupt grifters in!)
Bernie had it right. Her judgement is awful
Billy Batts
Verified User
Once again a Bagger is beating a dead Horse this has been investigated to death,and the conclusions have all been the same. Clinton not at fault. Could you imagine how bad it would have been with President Trump? Bottom line Clinton beats Trump hands down on foreign Policy issues. Trump has no experience in that area.
god almighty..
Do you not understand the "Pottery Barn rule?" - you break it you own it. It applies to both Iraq and Libya.
I posted her OWN STATE DEPT's memo to show you her expansive role....she was chief US advocate
( Gates called her the 51st % voie in the WH NSC)and international organizer.
Go vote for a war criminal..i'll have none of it.
WTF happened to Democrats after Iraq?? are they all brain dead partisans??
It's her own State Dept memo..is that SPAM?? you can cheer all you want to for Clinton -i'll deal in facts.
No "Libya hasn't been investigated to death" -that's Bengazi. Bengazi is but a symptom of the Libyan war 2011
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Oh please with the white men..I get your perspective but that's not what motivates me at all.
I started off with ABC=Anybody But Clinton. Mostly because of Libya/Iraq/Syria.
And then the Emails..showed her imperious nature. and then the ClintonFoundation = showed her corruption.
why in god's name you are voting for a hellacious creature like that is mystifying -but OK it's your vote.
I do agree Trump's foreign policy is squishy -but look at the alternative with Clinton! surely she is bellicose.
The safe bet is to go 3rd party -but i've done that enough,and nothing happens.
Gary Johnson has proved inept, and Jill Stein is frightening socialist
I do think we could renegotiate NAFTA -we're the biggest player;but much of my vote is still ABC.
"Throw the bums out" ( but don't put new corrupt grifters in!)
Bernie had it right. Her judgement is awful
Start from here .. NO OTHER CANDIDATE LIKE TRUMP WOULD HAVE EVER BEEN SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED.
Where you factor into my thoughts on far too many white men is, like them, you fail to recognize the OBVIOUS dangers of handing the keys to the kingdom to a temperamental rich guy with no experience in doing anything but making money. How you came to such a decision doesn't even matter. Regardless of who Clinton is or isn't, she has the demonstrated experience, intelligence, temperament, and gravitas to be president. Trump has none of that .. he just has you and his legion of frightened and desperate white men.
You are indeed free to support whomever you choose to .. but you supporting him doesn't make him or that support any less ridiculous .. and telling.
Bernie is voting for Clinton, not Trump.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Putin would use him like a two-dollar whore.
He's probably having wet dreams about Donald Trump. :0)
This
The Constitution could be spam retard,
it is in the usage not the document.
Stupid fucker