The Christ Haters Are At It Again Folks.

Micawber said:
"It is undisputed that at common law, abortion performed before "quickening" - the first recognizable movement of the fetus in utero, appearing usually from the 16th to the 18th week of pregnancy 20 - was not an indictable offense. 21 The absence [410 U.S. 113, 133] of a common-law crime for pre-quickening abortion appears to have developed from a confluence of earlier philosophical, theological, and civil and canon law concepts of when life begins. These disciplines variously approached the question in terms of the point at which the embryo or fetus became "formed" or recognizably human, or in terms of when a "person" came into being, that is, infused with a "soul" or "animated." A loose consensus evolved in early English law that these events occurred at some point between conception and live birth. 22 This was "mediate animation." Although [410 U.S. 113, 134] Christian theology and the canon law came to fix the point of animation at 40 days for a male and 80 days for a female, a view that persisted until the 19th century, there was otherwise little agreement about the precise time of formation or animation. There was agreement, however, that prior to this point the fetus was to be regarded as part of the mother, and its destruction, therefore, was not homicide. Due to continued uncertainty about the precise time when animation occurred, to the lack of any empirical basis for the 40-80-day view, and perhaps to Aquinas' definition of movement as one of the two first principles of life, Bracton focused upon quickening as the critical point. The significance of quickening was echoed by later common-law scholars and found its way into the received common law in this country.he common law. It is undisputed that at common law, abortion performed before "quickening" - the first recognizable movement of the fetus in utero, appearing usually from the 16th to the 18th week of pregnancy 20 - was not an indictable offense. 21 The absence [410 U.S. 113, 133] of a common-law crime for pre-quickening abortion appears to have developed from a confluence of earlier philosophical, theological, and civil and canon law concepts of when life begins. These disciplines variously approached the question in terms of the point at which the embryo or fetus became "formed" or recognizably human, or in terms of when a "person" came into being, that is, infused with a "soul" or "animated." A loose consensus evolved in early English law that these events occurred at some point between conception and live birth. 22 This was "mediate animation." Although [410 U.S. 113, 134] Christian theology and the canon law came to fix the point of animation at 40 days for a male and 80 days for a female, a view that persisted until the 19th century, there was otherwise little agreement about the precise time of formation or animation. There was agreement, however, that prior to this point the fetus was to be regarded as part of the mother, and its destruction, therefore, was not homicide. Due to continued uncertainty about the precise time when animation occurred, to the lack of any empirical basis for the 40-80-day view, and perhaps to Aquinas' definition of movement as one of the two first principles of life, Bracton focused upon quickening as the critical point. The significance of quickening was echoed by later common-law scholars and found its way into the received common law in this country."

The Christian cause celebre is novel, lacking any authentic historicity, and certainly was nothing Jesus ever spoke about. I thought God knows all? Why did he turn a blind eye to your concerns for eons? Hmmmm.
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He is using me as an instrument to teach you about killing innocent human beings in the here and now. Pretending they're anything but human beings, also known as "people" is a poor effort at assuaging your guilt.
 
GazzaQueen said:
He is using me as an instrument to teach you about killing innocent human beings in the here and now. Pretending they're anything but human beings, also known as "people" is a poor effort at assuaging your guilt.
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That's fine. You are channeling God now. That places you in good company: Jesus and other assorted delusionals and schizophrenics. My point stands. There is no writing demonstrating God tasked Jesus to instruct anyone about God's view on abortion. Sorry facts force you to assume a grand delusion.
 
Micawber said:
That's fine. You are channeling God now. That places you in good company: Jesus and other assorted delusionals and schizophrenics. My point stands. There is no writing demonstrating God tasked Jesus to instruct anyone about God's view on abortion. Sorry facts force you to assume a grand delusion.
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Jesus loves you PackD. Not sure about anyone else, but Jesus does.
 
GazzaQueen said:
He is using me as an instrument to teach you about killing innocent human beings in the here and now. Pretending they're anything but human beings, also known as "people" is a poor effort at assuaging your guilt.
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Jesus is? Speaking directly or through you imagination?

Theological schizophrenia. For regular schizophrenia, there are medications. For the religious bullshit, I'm not sure.

If your supposedly omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god exists, where the fuck is he? Two answers, prickless. AWOL or non-existent. Which do you prefer?
 
Micawber said:
"It is undisputed that at common law, abortion performed before "quickening" - the first recognizable movement of the fetus in utero, appearing usually from the 16th to the 18th week of pregnancy 20 - was not an indictable offense. 21 The absence [410 U.S. 113, 133] of a common-law crime for pre-quickening abortion appears to have developed from a confluence of earlier philosophical, theological, and civil and canon law concepts of when life begins. These disciplines variously approached the question in terms of the point at which the embryo or fetus became "formed" or recognizably human, or in terms of when a "person" came into being, that is, infused with a "soul" or "animated." A loose consensus evolved in early English law that these events occurred at some point between conception and live birth. 22 This was "mediate animation." Although [410 U.S. 113, 134] Christian theology and the canon law came to fix the point of animation at 40 days for a male and 80 days for a female, a view that persisted until the 19th century, there was otherwise little agreement about the precise time of formation or animation. There was agreement, however, that prior to this point the fetus was to be regarded as part of the mother, and its destruction, therefore, was not homicide. Due to continued uncertainty about the precise time when animation occurred, to the lack of any empirical basis for the 40-80-day view, and perhaps to Aquinas' definition of movement as one of the two first principles of life, Bracton focused upon quickening as the critical point. The significance of quickening was echoed by later common-law scholars and found its way into the received common law in this country.he common law. It is undisputed that at common law, abortion performed before "quickening" - the first recognizable movement of the fetus in utero, appearing usually from the 16th to the 18th week of pregnancy 20 - was not an indictable offense. 21 The absence [410 U.S. 113, 133] of a common-law crime for pre-quickening abortion appears to have developed from a confluence of earlier philosophical, theological, and civil and canon law concepts of when life begins. These disciplines variously approached the question in terms of the point at which the embryo or fetus became "formed" or recognizably human, or in terms of when a "person" came into being, that is, infused with a "soul" or "animated." A loose consensus evolved in early English law that these events occurred at some point between conception and live birth. 22 This was "mediate animation." Although [410 U.S. 113, 134] Christian theology and the canon law came to fix the point of animation at 40 days for a male and 80 days for a female, a view that persisted until the 19th century, there was otherwise little agreement about the precise time of formation or animation. There was agreement, however, that prior to this point the fetus was to be regarded as part of the mother, and its destruction, therefore, was not homicide. Due to continued uncertainty about the precise time when animation occurred, to the lack of any empirical basis for the 40-80-day view, and perhaps to Aquinas' definition of movement as one of the two first principles of life, Bracton focused upon quickening as the critical point. The significance of quickening was echoed by later common-law scholars and found its way into the received common law in this country."

The Christian cause celebre is novel, lacking any authentic historicity, and certainly was nothing Jesus ever spoke about. I thought God knows all? Why did he turn a blind eye to your concerns for eons? Hmmmm.
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To cause you to be confused. :good4u:
 
domer76 said:
Jesus is? Speaking directly or through you imagination?

Theological schizophrenia. For regular schizophrenia, there are medications. For the religious bullshit, I'm not sure.

If your supposedly omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god exists, where the fuck is he? Two answers, prickless. AWOL or non-existent. Which do you prefer?
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In your head. The reason you and others like you are losing your mind over it. Think about that grasshopper.
 
Micawber said:
That's fine. You are channeling God now. That places you in good company: Jesus and other assorted delusionals and schizophrenics. My point stands. There is no writing demonstrating God tasked Jesus to instruct anyone about God's view on abortion. Sorry facts force you to assume a grand delusion.
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Then kill innocent people in good conscience, micawber.
 
domer76 said:
Jesus is? Speaking directly or through you imagination?

Theological schizophrenia. For regular schizophrenia, there are medications. For the religious bullshit, I'm not sure.

If your supposedly omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god exists, where the fuck is he? Two answers, prickless. AWOL or non-existent. Which do you prefer?
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You don't need to be religious to support killing innocent people, as you so well have shown.
 
GazzaQueen said:
You don't need to be religious to support killing innocent people, as you so well have shown.
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Blob of cells. Damn thing is jumping around trying to grow a head same as a tadpole for some time after that. Murder is out of the question. And it ain't feticide until you prove it's a person by some objective test of universal appplication. Hence Roe v Wade.

And that's setting aside altogether the arguments women's privacy interest from state intrusion. Though Roe lacked a linear trail of precedent it remains a strong essay arriving at a decision that takes into consideration all opposing interests in a contentious perennial question.
 
Micawber said:
Blob of cells. Damn thing is jumping around trying to grow a head same as a tadpole for some time after that. Murder is out of the question. And it ain't feticide until you prove it's a person by some objective test of universal appplication. Hence Roe v Wade.

And that's setting aside altogether the arguments women's privacy interest from state intrusion. Though Roe lacked a linear trail of precedent it remains a strong essay arriving at a decision that takes into consideration all opposing interests in a contentious perennial question.
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So are your cells. Just more of them.

Kill innocent people in good conscience, micawber.
 
Covfefe said:
Don't any of those people having abortion identify as Christians?
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Oh yes, it turns out a lot of them. Probably most given the 80 percent pop in the USA. They just don't want vulnerable, poor, husbandless abused women of ill repute doing the same as the preacher forces his daughter to do when the boy from the wrong side of the tracks knocks her up, instead of Biff of the country club and the early admission to Duke on a lacrosse scholarship.
 
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