More Troops to Afghan

[Cancel 2020.1]

I swear, Tom has lost any shred of conscience or morality he ever might have had.

We should send people to die because we spend so much money on the military?

 

[christiefan915]

You spend over 700 billion dollars on the military, is it just there as an expensive sop against unemployment?

Liberals always want cuts to the defense budget. That $700 billion is all on cons. trump said during the campaign he was going to throw even more money at it.

 

[cancel2 2022]

You have got to be effing kidding me.

That's repulsive.

If IS is allowed to get a stranglehold on Afghanistan it will be virtually impossible to shift them. How long would it take for some rogue Pakistani scientist to provide the materials and knowhow for a nuclear weapon? We already know that A Q Khan helped North Korea to build them. Frankly I find that pretty repulsive, scary and all too likely.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-20/growing-concerns-is-could-steal-nuclear-weapons/7342722

 

[cancel2 2022]

Liberals always want cuts to the defense budget. That $700 billion is all on cons. trump said during the campaign he was going to throw even more money at it.

Yes well we will see, China is increasing military spending at an alarming rate. They have announced another 7% increase for 2017-8 and I really do not see any scenario where Hillary Clinton would have cut spending if she had won.

 

[dukkha]

This is my impression I get from your "sudden" appreciation for increasing the US military footprint in Afghanistan, aka escalating the Afghan War.

numerous times I've tried to show you interventionism is not the same as handling a war handed to you.
Nor does increasing troop levels by 4k mean "escalation" ( as in escalation of mission).

You simply refuse to understand, or maybe you are unable to understand the differences,
so you default to me "spinning"

 

[dukkha]

If IS is allowed to get a stranglehold on Afghanistan it will be virtually impossible to shift them. How long would it take for some rogue Pakistani scientist to provide the materials and knowhow for a nuclear weapon? We already know that A Q Khan helped North Korea to build them. Frankly I find that pretty repulsive, scary and all too likely.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-20/growing-concerns-is-could-steal-nuclear-weapons/7342722

not to mention a de facto ISIS / "al-Queda Core" alliance running terrorism in AfPak.

 

[signalmankenneth]

 

[Darth Omar]

I always thought the "sudden" conversion from Iraq War-loving Bush voters, to flower-waving Trumpkin peacenik hippies was totally suspect.

Everyone knows if Hillary Clinton had been elected and did this, jpp.com's Trumpkin phony peaceniks would have been hollering and bellowing about what a war monger Hillary is.

I've suspected the lefts anti war bonafides ever since Bush left office when they suddenly went AWOL.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

I've suspected the lefts anti war bonafides ever since Bush left office when they suddenly went AWOL.

Can't help it if you didn't pay attention.

The anti-war left has been anti-war through the Clinton years, Bush, Obama & now Trump.

 

[anatta]

I've suspected the lefts anti war bonafides ever since Bush left office when they suddenly went AWOL.

there was nary a peep from any of them over the destruction of Libya by Obama/NATO/Hillary...
funny how that works...
We created a terrorist state just like Bush did in Iraq, but that's accepted as business as normal by the left.

 

[Darth Omar]

Can't help it if you didn't pay attention.

The anti-war left has been anti-war through the Clinton years, Bush, Obama & now Trump.

Oddly, the media didn't give them much play.

I had no idea Code Pink came out against Libya, for example. And I'm pretty good with keeping up with events. Why did the media give Obama the pass?

I already know why, but I'd like to hear your spin on it.

 

[Cypress]

I've suspected the lefts anti war bonafides ever since Bush left office when they suddenly went AWOL.

Good to see you basically fess up, cop to only "suddenly" supporting the Afghan War escalation because your hero Donald J. Drumpf flip flopped.


As for your assertion, why would I fess up to something that's not true? I supported Bush's invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, and I never complained when Bush used cruise missiles and drones to take out suspected terrorists. My problem was with the invasion and occupation of Iraq. That catastrophically foolish blunder you supported with every fiber of your being.

 

[Phantasmal]

Can't help it if you didn't pay attention.

The anti-war left has been anti-war through the Clinton years, Bush, Obama & now Trump.

Amen

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

there was nary a peep from any of them over the destruction of Libya by Obama/NATO/Hillary...
funny how that works...
We created a terrorist state just like Bush did in Iraq, but that's accepted as business as normal by the left.

No other way to say it - the bolded is such a complete, unmitigated lie. Incredibly dishonest. Fabricated.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Oddly, the media didn't give them much play.

I had no idea Code Pink came out against Libya, for example. And I'm pretty good with keeping up with events. Why did the media give Obama the pass?

I already know why, but I'd like to hear your spin on it.

You understand that Iraq was a fairly large war, just in terms of scale & troop commitment...right?

 

[anatta]

Oddly, the media didn't give them much play.

I had no idea Code Pink came out against Libya, for example. And I'm pretty good with keeping up with events. Why did the media give Obama the pass?

I already know why, but I'd like to hear your spin on it.

Because he was Obama and cloaked it as "humanitarian war"..( R2P =responsibility to protect).
That was a neocon idea dreamed up by Madeline Albright (etc.) when she was Sec. of State and it infected the UN.

Hillary of course (never learning from Iraq or her "Friends of Syria" meddling) advocated it to Obama and eventually swayed him that R2P = regime change = assassinating Qadaffi ="humanitarian war"
Gates called her the deciding voice of the NSC deliberations

Even worse it barely made the election as an issue. To his credit Bernie brought it us as an ex.of Hillary's "hawkishness" - but she deflected is as "Smart Power" with lies like "Libyan's didn't want our help to establish democracy"
-when we were never gonna do anything to help Libya anyway.

Obama blames Cameron for not nation building..and they all walked away politically unscathed.

The Brits held hearings ( unlike our Bengazi junk) on the war and have formally condemned Cameron.
We got stuck on stupid w/ !Bengazi! and never really saw the forest from the trees because of !Bengazi!

 

[Darth Omar]

You understand that Iraq was a fairly large war, just in terms of scale & troop commitment...right?

But they both produced the same results.

You didn't care for the question?

 

[anatta]

The UK’s Devastating New Report on NATO’s Regime-Change War in Libya
The report is a convincing indictment of the UK’s civilian and military leadership in 2011—and our own.
https://www.thenation.com/article/t...w-report-on-natos-regime-change-war-in-libya/

The report’s findings are a devastating indictment of the leadership of then–Prime Minister David Cameron

The report puts a stake through the heart of the reigning establishment narrative that intervention was justified because Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi was about to unleash a massacre on the rebel stronghold of Benghazi—
an untruth that has been endlessly repeated by the Democratic nominee for president, Hillary Clinton, who was a driving force behind the intervention.

The new report should—but probably will not, given the sorry state of the 2016 campaign—
draw attention to Clinton’s long record of supporting military interventions in lieu of diplomacy...

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

But they both produced the same results.

You didn't care for the question?

I did - as usual, you just ignored it.

Scale is fairly important when it comes to media coverage, Darth. A multi-trillion $, 10-year+ war - which involves a ground invasion and actual U.S. Troops (a huge #) - is going to get a bit more coverage than a conflict like Libya.

I'm sure I don't really have to explain that to you.

 

[Darth Omar]

I did - as usual, you just ignored it.

Scale is fairly important when it comes to media coverage, Darth. A multi-trillion $, 10-year+ war - which involves a ground invasion and actual U.S. Troops (a huge #) - is going to get a bit more coverage than a conflict like Libya.

I'm sure I don't really have to explain that to you.

Could you imagine if Bush would have pulled a Libya in his hypothetical third term.

They would have tried to impeach him, and you know it.