Did dossier trigger the Trump-Russia probe?

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The FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump-Russia affair shortly after receiving the first installment of an anti-Trump dossier from a former British spy working for the Hillary Clinton campaign. What congressional investigators want to know is whether that was a coincidence or not.

The first report in the dossier compiled by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele was dated June 20, 2016.
Steele told the left-leaning publication Mother Jones that he took the first part of his dossier to the FBI "near the start of July."

James Comey, when he was FBI director, told members of the House Intelligence Committee the Trump-Russia investigation began "in late July."

So the timeline is: The first dossier report was June 20, Steele approached the FBI near the start of July, and the FBI began its investigation in late July.

Steele's first dossier installment, the June 20 document, cited a "senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure" and a "former top level Russian intelligence officer still active inside the Kremlin."

It reported that "Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald TRUMP for at least 5 years" and that "the TRUMP operation was both supported and directed by Russian President Vladimir PUTIN."

Also citing a "senior Russian financial official" and a "close associate of TRUMP who had organized and managed his recent trips to Moscow," the dossier said Russians had been feeding Trump "valuable intelligence" on Clinton "for several years."
The report also said "TRUMP's (perverted) conduct in Moscow included hiring the presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton hotel, where he knew President and Mrs. OBAMA (whom he hated) had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by employing a number of prostitutes to perform a 'golden showers' (urination) show in front of him." The action was all captured by hidden cameras, the dossier said.

The FBI was very interested in Steele's report, according to Mother Jones' David Corn, who was personally briefed by Steele:

The former intelligence officer says the response from the FBI was "shock and horror."
The FBI, after receiving the first memo, did not immediately request additional material, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates. Yet in August, they say, the FBI asked him for all the information in his possession, and for him to explain how the material had been gathered and to identify his sources. The former spy forwarded to the bureau several memos — some of which referred to members of Trump's inner circle. At that point, he continued to share information with the FBI. "It's quite clear there was or is a pretty substantial inquiry

Corn's report suggested the FBI was surprised by the dossier report's contents, which in turn suggested the FBI wasn't already on the case when Steele approached the bureau near the start of July.

Not long after, on July 7, Carter Page, whom Trump had named to a little-used foreign policy advisory board, began a three-day visit to Moscow, where he gave a public commencement speech to a university known as the New Economic School.

In a dossier report dated July 19, Steele wrote that Page had met in Moscow with Igor Sechin, the CEO of Rosneft, the giant Russian oil company, and, separately, with Igor Divyekin, a senior figure in the Putin government. Sechin was known to be very close to Putin and was also under U.S. sanctions.

According to Steele's dossier report, Page and Sechin discussed ending U.S. sanctions against Russia. (A later dossier entry said Sechin offered Page billions of dollars to have Trump lift those sanctions.) Page and Divyekin allegedly discussed "a dossier of 'kompromat' the Kremlin possessed on TRUMP's Democratic presidential rival, Hillary CLINTON, and its possible release to the Republican's campaign team."

The dossier information made its way from Steele to the FBI to Capitol Hill. On August 27, the Senate's then-Minority Leader, Harry Reid, wrote a letter to Comey noting "a series of disturbing reports" about whether "a Trump advisor who has been highly critical of U.S. and European sanctions on Russia…met with high-ranking sanctioned individuals while in Moscow in July of 2016, well after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee."

Steele continued to file dossier reports to the Clinton campaign and, apparently, to the FBI during the July-August-September-October time frame -- in other words, the period leading up to the November 8 presidential election. There were reports dated July 30; August 5, 10, and 22; September 14; and October 12, 18, 19, and 20.

The challenge -- for Steele and for Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm that hired him with funding from the Clinton campaign -- was to get the dossier's charges out in public, where they might influence the presidential race.

As the election approached, the Clinton campaign, through Fusion GPS, directed Steele to give the dossier information to a few journalists. At the "end of September," and again in October, according to British court papers, Steele personally briefed reporters from the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, the New Yorker, and Yahoo.

The allegations in the dossier were basically impossible for journalists to verify. Most of the publications did not report the information. But on September 23, Yahoo's Michael Isikoff reported that "U.S. officials" had "received intelligence reports" from a "well-placed Western intelligence source" that Carter Page had met with Sechin and Divyekin during Page's July trip to Moscow. Isikoff wrote that some American officials were "taken aback" by the report that Page had met Sechin and Divyekin and were "seeking to determine" whether Page had "opened up private communications with senior Russian officials" on the sanctions issue. The allegations "have been discussed with senior members of Congress," Isikoff added, quoting from Reid's August 27 letter to Comey.

The Clinton campaign tried to publicize the report, but the dossier news did not really catch on. So in late October, according to those British court papers, with election day fast approaching and the allegations still not out, Fusion, acting on behalf of the Clinton campaign, directed Steele to brief Mother Jones. David Corn's article, which stayed away from the most incendiary parts of the dossier, was published on October 31, 2016.

One day earlier, on October 30, Harry Reid tried again to push the information into public view with a letter to Comey stating that the FBI possessed "explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his advisors, and the Russian government."

Of course, Comey knew what the FBI possessed. The point of Reid's letter was to get it out in public as the election approached. Again, there was some attention paid, but November 8 came and went without Americans excitedly discussing something called the Trump dossier.

Now, with multiple investigations underway, some officials are trying to reconstruct the events of June through October 2016. Were the allegations in the dossier accurate in the first place? If they were, did involvement go to the highest levels of the Trump campaign? But if they weren't, was it a situation in which the Clinton campaign, through its hired foreign agent Steele, fed the FBI bad information for the purpose of having it leaked to the press in time to hurt Trump before the election?

On the question of accuracy, it's just not clear what in the dossier has been verified and what hasn't. If one reads the dossier to be making the broad point that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 election -- well, that's true. And indeed, some commentators have claimed that the dossier "checks out." But if one reads the dossier in all its damaging details and looks for confirmation -- well, that confirmation can be hard to find.

Page, for example, in testimony to the House Intelligence Committee on November 2, denied meeting with Sechin and Divyekin in Moscow and it's not clear there is any evidence, beyond the dossier, that he did. Trump executive Michael Cohen has strongly denied the parts of the dossier about him, and it's not clear there is any evidence, beyond the dossier, to prove him wrong. And of course, on what is perhaps the dossier's key big-picture allegation -- "There was a well-developed conspiracy of cooperation between [the Trump campaign] and Russian leadership" -- the jury is still very, very out.

What is absolutely clear is that, beyond any investigation, the dossier has proven enormously useful politically to the president's adversaries. At that House Intelligence Committee hearing on March 20, 2017, for example, at which Comey announced the existence of the investigation, Democrats spent a lot of time raising very specific allegations from the dossier. Carter Page's name was mentioned 28 times, and Sechin's 11 times. Comey said he could not discuss the allegations in public. But Democrats made the dossier a centerpiece of their case against Trump.

Now the the moving parts, as far as the dossier is concerned, are the Mueller investigation and Congress. With Mueller, it's impossible to determine whether he is using the dossier and if so, in what way. For its part, Congress is trying to uncover the dossier story — what did the FBI do to try to verify it? Did agents use it as a basis for seeking wiretaps? — but getting information out of the FBI, as well as Fusion GPS, has been like pulling teeth, even after a House subpoena.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...rigger-the-trump-russia-probe/article/2640470
 
Probably played a part - along with other factors.

You realize that there have been indictments, correct? That the whole "nothing burger" narrative was bogus?
 
Probably played a part - along with other factors.

You realize that there have been indictments, correct? That the whole "nothing burger" narrative was bogus?
but those were before the Trump campaign.."Russian collusion" THE BASIS FOR MUELLER is a nothing burger..

Look at the time line here..it appears the FBI was triggered by the Steele Dossier-despite claims otherwise

At that House Intelligence Committee hearing on March 20, 2017, for example, at which Comey announced the existence of the investigation, Democrats spent a lot of time raising very specific allegations from the dossier. Carter Page's name was mentioned 28 times, and Sechin's 11 times. Comey said he could not discuss the allegations in public. But Democrats made the dossier a centerpiece of their case against Trump.
^ looks like the salacious material was also the basis for Congressional hearings
 
Now, with multiple investigations underway, some officials are trying to reconstruct the events of June through October 2016. Were the allegations in the dossier accurate in the first place? If they were, did involvement go to the highest levels of the Trump campaign? But if they weren't, was it a situation in which the Clinton campaign, through its hired foreign agent Steele, fed the FBI bad information for the purpose of having it leaked to the press in time to hurt Trump before the election?
 
Probably played a part - along with other factors.

You realize that there have been indictments, correct? That the whole "nothing burger" narrative was bogus?

Indictments that have nothing to do with Trump.....bullshit financial dealings that happened during Obama's term....
 
Is this you not caring about Trump? Interesting. Trump hired 'em. Sorry 'bout that. Now, please - carry on in not defending Trump.

They were indicted because "Trump hired 'em", little Thingy?

Tell the forum what those indictments were for, little Thingy.

I'll understand if you don't want to, but do it anyway, little Thingy. :rofl2:
 
Probably played a part - along with other factors.

You realize that there have been indictments, correct? That the whole "nothing burger" narrative was bogus?

You do realize the Manafort indictment has nothing to do with the Trump campaign right? That in fact the charges stem from actions taken years before Trump even announced while Manafort was lobbying on behalf of the Russian aligned Yanukovych government of the Ukraine for the Podesta group founded by Hillarys campaign manager right?
 
Is this you not caring about Trump? Interesting.

Trump hired 'em. Sorry 'bout that.

Now, please - carry on in not defending Trump.

The charges stem from his actions while working for the Podesta group founded by Hillarys campaign manager.
 
York is showing this is a distinct possibility:
was it a situation in which the Clinton campaign, through its hired foreign agent Steele, fed the FBI bad information for the purpose of having it leaked to the press in time to hurt Trump before the election?
 
Anatta, sorry for not using the quote function, am too lazy to erase all that.

It's quite possible that the dossier had something to do with the investigation beginning. If even a tenth of what's in it is true, don't you think that it needs investigating? Arrests have already begun. I think that the bad smell we all have in our noses isn't that little dead herring on the beach. It's a dead whale.
 
Where did little Thingy go? Was it time for some women's TV shows?

This is what triggered looks like, JPP.

Sorry, GBA - I do work once in awhile. The point - since it flew at a comfortable altitude above your head - is that the investigation actually produced indictments. Oh, and they were folks who actually worked on Trump's campaign.

Ergo, it leads to more questions - particularly w/ some of the other meetings that went on. Makes the whole thing fully justified, and hardly a "nothing burger."

Now, get back to your regularly scheduled Trump/GOP defending.
 
Anatta, sorry for not using the quote function, am too lazy to erase all that. It's quite possible that the dossier had something to do with the investigation beginning. If even a tenth of what's in it is true, don't you think that it needs investigating? Arrests have already begun. I think that the bad smell we all have in our noses isn't that little dead herring on the beach. It's a dead whale.

Arrests? :dunno:

Any revolting odors you are experiencing are likely the result of poor personal hygiene, I suspect. Have you tried douching?
 
You still haven't told the forum what the indictments were for, little Thingy.

Don't be coy.

Spell it out.

I know you don't want to, and I know why.

Do it anyway, little Thingy.

Do it now, before your wife gets home and you have to do the dishes.

"Do it now"...lol

I don't dance for you, triggered troll. Try google.

I told you why they matter. I know it wasn't anything specifically while they were on the campaign.

Deal w/ it. I know it's tough while you're stuck in "must defend Trump" mode all the time...
 
Is that really the best "gotcha" you have, triggered Trump troll? That the indictments weren't specifically about the campaign?

Man, how the goalposts just keep shifting for you guys...
 
"Do it now"...lol

I don't dance for you, triggered troll. Try google.

I told you why they matter. I know it wasn't anything specifically while they were on the campaign.

Deal w/ it. I know it's tough while you're stuck in "must defend Trump" mode all the time...
There was a time issue on these crimes, it’s why these indictments were made before the rest, there is more to come, but they are fitting all the puzzle pieces together.
 
"Do it now"...lol I don't dance for you, triggered troll. Try google. I told you why they matter. I know it wasn't anything specifically while they were on the campaign. Deal w/ it. I know it's tough while you're stuck in "must defend Trump" mode all the time...

You seem emotional, little Thingy.

Please don't take your anger out on your wife or child.

I understand why you refuse to tell the forum what the indictments are for.

But please, don't let your frustration over this public humiliation make you do something you'll regret.
 
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