Bailey Holt. 15. Say her name NRA.

domer76 said:
Well, what do you think any law does?

I am advocating keeping as many weapons out of the hands of people deemed incapable of taking care of themselves. Snd you keep inserting just those who can’t keep track of finances.

Due process for all.
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so you like 'if/would' scenarios that endeavor to produce outcomes YOU want. typical idiot hypocrite.
 
Abatis said:
As I've said to you before; what should be done is entirely dependent on what can be done.

You lefties spend an inordinate amount of time denigrating and dismissing the right to arms and demonizing people who support respecting the Constitution and you want to be treated with respect and have your "concerns" heard?

FUCK YOU.

You are an enemy and a usurper and honoring liberty demands you be marginalized and eliminated from being considered a competent, reasoned voice in any policy discussion.
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The usual idiotic response complete with vulgarity from another stooge who refuses to consider any viewpoint but his own. Why don't you tell the class what can be done?

People have the right to be safe and feel safe around those carrying guns. Your right to carry a gun is not greater than our right to life.

Take your manhood substitute and stick it where the sun don't shine.
 
Abatis said:
Don't understand our rights?

At least I know that the right of abortion is directly dependent upon the recognition and respect for the right to arms.

Are you really that ignorant of the legal theory (penumbral rights) that found the right to privacy and thus the derivative rights of abortion, contraception and LGBTQ rights? You have no understanding that your hate and contempt for my right to arms allows the penumbral rights theory to be questioned, thrown into doubt and challenged?

How can one that believes themselves to be so enlightened be so dimwitted?
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Abortion rights are dependent on your right to carry your popgun? Hilarious!
 
Abatis said:
Yeah, only one was discussing real, constitutionally recognized and protected rights . . .

Those other "rights" (Bailey's parents' and siblings' right to have their daughter and sister / her grandparents' broken hearts) are not enforceable rights -- they only exist in the kooky minds of deluded leftists.

Even Bailey's "right to life" can only be respected by prosecuting the asshole that shot her . . . There is no other entity to be held liable, no government agent can be held responsible for not keeping her safe.

You leftists haven't a clue what rights are and upon who they are enforced.
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I never said a word about the victim’s “rights”, idiot.
 
BURPING said:
This is Bailey Holt. Yesterday, she went to high school for a normal day and was gunned down. Look at her....GOD DAMMIT LOOK AT HER! Her name was Bailey Holt.

Stare at this fucking picture of a perfectly innocent, perfectly great 15 year old who was doing everything right and was murdered for no reason...when you are done, when you can’t take any more, reply to this post and tell me that there is nothing that we can do to stop the gun violence in our country. Please tell me. Because this enrages me. This could be your daughter. Your sister.

A 15-year old, white male (and yes most mass shootings are done by white males) killed 2 and wounded 19 yesterday.

There have been 11 school shootings in 2018. Fucking 11 shootings at a school in 23 days. That is way beyond unacceptable. That is a national crisis. The assholes in Washington are playing political games over a stupid fucking budget and our babies are being murdered. This is an outrage. Look at that picture!! Her name was Bailey Holt." (RA)

FB https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...0245194309607.324474.664824606&type=3&theater

Say her name NRA. Say her NAME!
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What does the NRA have to do with this tragedy you brain dead lying leftist asshat?

Once again we see that GUN laws don't prevent lunatics from committing atrocities. Tell us, lying leftist asshat, what additional laws would have prevented this?
 
ThatOLDDUMBWoman said:
But Freedom! That's right -- the freedom to have more guns than human beings in this country outweighs Bailey's right to have a life. It outweighs Bailey's parents' and siblings' right to have their daughter and sister. It outweighs her grandparents' broken hearts.

People don't matter in America. Guns do.

Fuck you, NRA.
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You're a moron.

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Jaded DUMBASS said:
I'm all for protecting gun rights, but within reason. What the NRA has turned this into is a rare type of delusion, and prideful insanity. You literally can't do anything, because it infringes on rights, or brings about this pseudo slippery slope argument, that people who just want their way, seem to hold onto like stone written scripture. Let's take a note from Star Wars. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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What additional laws would have prevented this tragedy moron?
 
christiefan915 said:
People have the right to be safe and feel safe around those carrying guns. Your right to carry a gun is not greater than our right to life.
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no, they clearly do not have that right to be safe or feel safe around those carrying guns. what they DO have is the right to carry their own gun with them, even around others that carry guns, in order to provide for their best self defense.

christiefan915 said:
Take your manhood substitute and stick it where the sun don't shine.
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all those woman that carry guns have penis envy???????
 
christiefan915 said:
People have the right to be safe and feel safe around those carrying guns. Your right to carry a gun is not greater than our right to life.
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People are responsible for their own feelings. No one is responsible for another's feelings. I promise not to shoot anyone unless it's in self defense. ;)

Take your manhood substitute and stick it where the sun don't shine.
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Pointing your firearm in an unsafe direction is a big safety no no.
 
christiefan915 said:
The usual idiotic response complete with vulgarity from another stooge who refuses to consider any viewpoint but his own.
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I have heard and considered every anti-gun point and position and have dismissed them. Emotion does not trump the rule of law.

christiefan915 said:
Why don't you tell the class what can be done?
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I have, multiple times. You never reply.
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christiefan915 said:
People have the right to be safe and feel safe . . .
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No such right exists because there is no entity to hold responsible for the "violation" of those "rights". You can not sue or hold accountable anyone in government for failing to keep you safe or failing to create and/or maintain a condition/situation/location whereby you "feel" safe. That entire concept is liberal lunacy . . .

christiefan915 said:
Your right to carry a gun is not greater than our right to life.
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Your "right to life" only extends to your ability to defend your life. It shows just how fucked up you are; the right to carry a gun is about the most effective action one can undertake to defend one's "right to life".

You really don't get how this works do you?


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What follows is "what can be done" without injuring any rights. If completed, these inititives would reduce criminal use of guns by 75% and reduce murder by 50%:


1) Enforce with vigor laws criminalizing the violent misuse of firearms; don't use weapons offenses as bargaining chips to be thrown out for guilty pleas for other charges and never allow the pleading down of felony gun charges to misdemeanors.

2) Mandate full time sentenced to be served for any violent misuse of a firearm.

3) Enhanced sentences for repeat offenders & felon in possession with reduced appeal opportunities.

4) Mandate states and all federal agencies who adjudicate, to maintain the most up-to-date database of prohibited persons possible (including a red flag for mental issues - HIPPA be damned). and this be shared with the FBI NICS and all other states – with criminal penalties and civil liability for ignoring the law.

5) Increase funding for parole/probation programs for enforcement of conditions of release and tightening of controls on those under conditional release and oversight of the boards responsible for early release.

6) Increase funding for states/cities for FTA & fugitive recovery with a priority on violent offenders.

7) Enact nationwide concealed weapon permit reciprocity for law-abiding citizens that no state or municipality can opt out of.​


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domer76 said:
Abortion rights are dependent on your right to carry your popgun? Hilarious!
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As the legal doctrine that discovered the right to privacy is set-out? Yes.

I'll explain it for the board.

The origin of "privacy' rights and thus the derivative rights to abortion, contraception and LGBTQ rights, are said to be found in the "emanations" and "penumbras" of the rights expressly enumerated in the first eight Amendments of the Bill of Rights:



"[The] specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance. See Poe v. Ullman, 367 U.S. 497, 516-522 (dissenting opinion).

Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965)​




As cited there in Griswold, the principle was originally laid out Harlan's famous dissent in Poe v Ullman. Justice O'Connor, quoted below, expressly elevated Harlan's dissent to the opinion of the Court. It unequivocally explains how the doctrine works (the doctrine also relies on the 9th Amendment, the principle that the Constitution secures unenumerated rights):



"Neither the Bill of Rights nor the specific practices of States at the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment marks the outer limits of the substantive sphere of liberty which the Fourteenth Amendment protects. See U. S. Const., Amend. 9. As the second Justice Harlan recognized:

"[T]he full scope of the liberty guaranteed by the Due Process Clause cannot be found in or limited by the precise terms of the specific guarantees elsewhere provided in the Constitution. This `liberty' is not a series of isolated points pricked out in terms of the taking of property; the freedom of speech, press, and religion; the right to keep and bear arms; the freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures; and so on. It is a rational continuum which, broadly speaking, includes a freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints, . . . and which also recognizes, what a reasonable and sensitive judgment must, that certain interests require particularly careful scrutiny of the state needs asserted to justify their abridgment."​

(ellipsis in original)
Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992)​


Some questions for discussion if any leftist is interested in demonstrating intellectual integrity:

How does the modern anti-gunner's position on the 2nd Amendment fit into the right to keep and bear arms being a link in the "rational continuum" of individual liberty protected from federal (and state) injury by the Constitution?

Can a right that is found to exist in the "emanations" and "penumbras" of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights be more respected, more vital and more secure than a right that is specifically and expressly enumerated in the Bill of Rights?

Back to my point, can an anti-gunner's hostility for gun rights actually call into question the legitimacy of recognizing and securing the rights to abortion and other reproductive choices or even the gains made in LGBT rights?

IOW, if a link can be cut out, if the "rational continuum" can be broken, how can the doctine of pernumbral rights be argued to exist . . . and if it doesn't exist how does the right to privacy (and abortion, contraception and LGBTQ rights) remain legally recognized and secured?


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