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It's not the responsibility of a business to do for you what you refuse to do for yourself.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Business has a responsibility for its employees.

You clearly have never run a business, lied about it, and are now vomiting forth thoughts you're improvising because of your lack of education, experience, and moral character.
 
Some truth here. Less so than the obvious lurch to extreme radical right under Trumptard, a fact conservative do not apparently wish to dwell on.

When was the last thread started by a Trumptard admitting the obvious fascist leanings?

I think your OP is a consequence of my point. Tug of war.... Oh yeah you god damned Nazis? Take some Bernie style socialism.

You rang? When?

Never!
 
Whether or not they get assistance is based on their begging. Nothing says that have to apply. They choose to be freeloaders.

It's not the responsibility of a business to do for you what you refuse to do for yourself. Sometime in life, boy, you have to step up and be a man. Some like you are mental kids the day you die because you don't have the ability to be a man.

extreme malaprop^
 
You couldn't be more wrong.

Business has a responsibility for its employees.

You clearly have never run a business, lied about it, and are now vomiting forth thoughts you're improvising because of your lack of education, experience, and moral character.

To pay them what their skills are worth and when they do, you whine about it not being enough.
 
They get assistance because their employer pays them wages so low, they qualify for it. Pay them more, and they will get less assistance.

If one business can pay its workers a wage high enough that they don't qualify for existence, why can't they all?

No answer for that question other than you think people are entitled to own a business.

They beg for assistance because they don't offer skills that warrant being paid more. Have them provide a higher level skill and they'll get paid more. You want the benefit without the effort. Not how business works.

People aren't entitled to a wage they think they should get but the one the person doing the paying offers.

Why should a worker that offers a $5/hour skill get a wage higher than $5/hour? People aren't paid because they exist. They are paid because of what they can do. If you can't do much, you don't get paid much.
 
They get assistance because their employer pays them wages so low, they qualify for it. Pay them more, and they will get less assistance.

If one business can pay its workers a wage high enough that they don't qualify for existence, why can't they all?

No answer for that question other than you think people are entitled to own a business.

Some businesses overtly encourage their employees to apply for income assistance. It's a retention policy.
 
Some businesses overtly encourage their employees to apply for income assistance. It's a retention policy.

The fact that the idiots that work at some businesses (i.e. - fast food) don't have the ability to do even that is a retention policy. They can't go anywhere else.

Prime example. I was in Wendy's two weeks ago. I ordered the Taco Salad and a drink. The total was $7.68. I handed the dumb black girl at the register a $10 bill then noticed that I had $.68 in change. I tried to hand her the change in order to get back $3 instead of more change. It blew her mind. She insisted that me giving her the change and getting $3 instead of the $2.32 the screen on the register showed would mess up her total. She said my math mind doesn't work that way. I let her proceed then taught her a simple math less than a 4th grader learns. Before she closed her cash drawer, I handed her the $.32 she had given me and the $.68 I was going to give her before asking for $1 bill instead. In the end, I got the three $1 bills I wanted and the dumbass may have learned a lesson in simple math. Maybe not. She didn't seem very smart. Perhaps that's why it's likely the only place she can ever work.
 
To pay them what their skills are worth and when they do, you whine about it not being enough.

Their skills are worth more than what their wage is. The gap is made up by assistance programs. The real minimum wage should be around $15/hr because that's what it costs to maintain what we've decided as a society is the standard of living.

You don't agree because you're anti-society.

So you're anti-social.
 
They beg for assistance because they don't offer skills that warrant being paid more. Have them provide a higher level skill and they'll get paid more. You want the benefit without the effort. Not how business works.

So here's your first mistake;

They're not begging for anything; they qualify for assistance. Assistance that would be completely unnecessary if their wages were higher. You want everyone to have a lower standard of living because you have a low standard of living. And you, personally, have a low standard of living because you are the very things that you accuse these other low-wage workers of being; lazy, unmotivated, sloppy, and entitled.

It's projection with you; you want to feel better about your own shitty station in life, so you try to put yourself on a high horse to judge the moral character of people who earn wages low enough that they wualify for assistance.

Get over yourself, or kill yourself.

I don't care which you choose.
 
People aren't entitled to a wage they think they should get but the one the person doing the paying offers.

They offer low wages because of the existence of government assistance programs. Businesses are welfare queens, not the workers who are employed.

People aren't entitled to owning a business.
 
Why should a worker that offers a $5/hour skill get a wage higher than $5/hour?

Who says the skill is worth that? Just you.

The minimum base pay skill wage is $15/hr, and we know this because that's the maximum benchmark qualifier for most assistance programs.
 
Some businesses overtly encourage their employees to apply for income assistance. It's a retention policy.

Exactly my point. Corporations and businesses are keeping wages artificially low because they are relying on government assistance to paper over the gap in pay for their workers, so they can achieve a profit margin.

That's corporate welfare dependency and entitlement.
 
Their skills are worth more than what their wage is. The gap is made up by assistance programs. The real minimum wage should be around $15/hr because that's what it costs to maintain what we've decided as a society is the standard of living.

You don't agree because you're anti-society.

So you're anti-social.

Not necessarily. Their skills are worth what the employer says they're worth since they're paying. That someone demands welfare has nothing to do with the low wage but the low skills.

I'm pro personal responsibility. Someone demanding welfare isn't being responsible.
 
Exactly my point. Corporations and businesses are keeping wages artificially low because they are relying on government assistance to paper over the gap in pay for their workers, so they can achieve a profit margin.

That's corporate welfare dependency and entitlement.

Micawber is as much of a dumbass as you, boy.
 
They offer low wages because of the existence of government assistance programs. Businesses are welfare queens, not the workers who are employed.

People aren't entitled to owning a business.

They offer low wages because the worker getting them offers low skills.

People aren't entitled to a welfare check.
 
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