"It has not been easy to come to this point," Kim

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hard to say how it went - but in all probability/hope it's the first step on a journey to peaceful coexistence -
at least not war or constant threats at each other ( every journey begins with the first step ).

It was just last August Kim was threatening Guam and sending ICBMs over Japan.
Now they're at least talking face to face.

Much will depend on China staying tough on sanctions. Maximum pressure sanctions also got us here
 
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US President Donald Trump shook the hand of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un Tuesday morning local time, an extraordinary display of diplomacy that reflects an unprecedented gamble for two brash leaders' intent on making their mark on history.

The men greeted each other with extended hands in front of a row of US and North Korean flags -- a previously unthinkable sight that reflects a new chapter in the two countries' acrimonious relationship.
Later, Trump said his historic summit with Kim was going "very, very good" and predicted an eventual agreement on Pyongyang's nuclear weapons.
"Excellent relationship," he said as he emerged from one-on-one talks after 48 minutes.

"Working together, we'll get it taken care of," Trump said, positing he could "solve a big problem, a big dilemma" alongside his new partner.
Earlier, Trump patted Kim on the back and placed his hand on the North Korean's shoulder as they walked into their meeting.

"I feel really great. We'll have a great discussion," Trump said at the beginning of the talks.
"This will be tremendously successful," he continued. "We will have a terrific relationship."
Speaking through an interpreter, Kim alluded to the longstanding enmity between his country and the United States.

"It has not been easy to come to this point," Kim said, according to a CNN translation of his remarks. "For us the past has been holding us back, and old practices and prejudices have been covering our eyes and ears, but we have been able to overcome everything to arrive here today."
Trump nodded in agreement.

The meeting comes only months after the two men traded nuclear taunts, ratcheting up tensions and leading to fears of war.
Trump hopes the talks with the rogue kingdom's despotic leader will amount to a historic breakthrough.
Whether nuclear disarmament is indeed the outcome of Tuesday's summit won't be known for years, if not decades.
But the dramatic act of extending his hand to one of America's longtime adversaries will forever illustrate Trump's gut-driven, norm-shattering tenure.

Tweeting from his hotel room in the pre-dawn hours on Tuesday, Trump sought to heighten the suspense.
"Meetings between staffs and representatives are going well and quickly....but in the end, that doesn't matter. We will all know soon whether or not a real deal, unlike those of the past, can happen!" he wrote.

After the men shook hands, they repaired inside for one-on-one talks. In that first meeting they were joined only by translators, a break from standard practice of having at least one aide present for high-stakes huddles.

Later in the day, advisers will enter the room for a larger bilateral session and a working lunch.
The White House said Trump would be joined by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, chief of staff John Kelly, national security adviser John Bolton and the US Ambassador to the Philippines Sung Kim, who has lent his Korea expertise to the talks.

In the lead-up to the summit, US and North Korean officials were convening contentious final-hour negotiations in a Ritz Carlton hotel here in a bid to narrow gaps on key aspects of the meeting.
In question is Pyongyang's precise commitment to nuclear disarmament, and the security guarantees the US is willing to offer in return.
The sides first spoke through intelligence channels, with US analysts working to determine Kim's true willingness to abandon a nuclear program started by his grandfather and viewed by Pyongyang as a security blanket from outside aggressors.

Pompeo, who led the outreach as CIA director, traveled twice to North Korea for preliminary talks. His sessions with Kim amounted to the most robust contact ever between the United States and the North Korean leader, providing critical information about a man about whom little is known.

Talks proceeded at multiple levels, including logistical discussions to allay Kim's fears of being deposed while traveling further afield than he ever has before as the country's leader. The site of the historic talks was a matter of intense speculation before the US President announced on Twitter it would occur here in Singapore, the flashy Southeast Asian city-state that has eagerly accommodated the spectacle.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/politics/trump-kim-summit-singapore/index.html
 
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"Peace in Our Time" comes to mind. I guess we'll have to see how things play out over the next 10 years.
 
"Peace in Our Time" comes to mind. I guess we'll have to see how things play out over the next 10 years.
as long as they do not test again. if they do it's all off and then some.
we also need to get an inspection regime -or it's all off..

but we did get here and if Trump had never tried we'd still be talking war
 
as long as they do not test again. if they do it's all off and then some.
we also need to get an inspection regime -or it's all off..

but we did get here and if Trump had never tried we'd still be talking war

We folded when Kim had 50 atomic bombs, ... now he probably has a 100 atomic bombs. We won't be doing anything 'military' against a regime that has so many nuclear devices.
I hope something gets worked out. A Peace Treaty would be GREAT.
 
We folded when Kim had 50 atomic bombs, ... now he probably has a 100 atomic bombs. We won't be doing anything 'military' against a regime that has so many nuclear devices.
I hope something gets worked out. A Peace Treaty would be GREAT.
it's the ICBMs that count. at least for the U.S.A.
They claimed miniaturization ( atomic warhead) and an ICBM that has gotten more distance,
but still won't survive re-entry.

Inspections and sanctions are crucial if we are to freeze their development just shy of being able to hit US territory with a nuke.
Hopefully the world dodges a bullet.
I hope something gets worked out.
indeed
 
it's the ICBMs that count. at least for the U.S.A.
They claimed miniaturization ( atomic warhead) and an ICBM that has gotten more distance,
but still won't survive re-entry.

Inspections and sanctions are crucial if we are to freeze their development just shy of being able to hit US territory with a nuke.
Hopefully the world dodges a bullet.
indeed

There's more than one way to deliver an atomic bomb.
 
it gets complicated.
The "conventional" threat from the days of the USSR 'til now have been by ICBM

They have 50 antiquated submarines that could sit off the West Coast in International Waters, each one with an atomic bomb, each one with a Kamikaze crew.
 
Best case: Peace Treaty.

American troops don't need to be there, NK doesn't need Nukes, SK and NK can begin to work with each other.
 
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There's more than one way to deliver an atomic bomb.
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A 2010 multinational report on the sinking of the South Korean corvette ROKS Cheonan, thought to have been sunk by a North Korean midget submarine, states that the KPN operates twenty Romeo-class submarines, forty Sang-O (“Shark”)–class coastal submarines (SSCs) and ten midget submarines of the Yono class.
A small number of the Sang-O submarines are designed to support navy divers in clandestine operations, while the rest are designed to protect the North Korean coastline and perhaps harass shipping going in and out of South Korean ports in wartime.

North Korea’s most important submarine, however, is the Gorae (“Whale”)-class ballistic-missile submarine. First observed in satellite imagery in 2014, the lone Gorae appears based on the Yono-class submarine.
The Covert Shores naval-affairs web site estimates it as being 213 feet long, displacing 1,650 tons fully loaded, and with a crew of between seventy and eighty. Gorae has a single ballistic-missile launch tube in the sail to accommodate the Pukguksong-1 (KN-11) submarine-launched ballistic missile. The KN-11 is estimated to have a range between six hundred and nine hundred miles, and will almost certainly carry a small nuclear warhead.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/everything-you-need-know-about-north-koreas-navy-21620
 
I was earlier. And, I'm off today (Tuesday) so maybe I'll make some popcorn and stay up...how about you?
today was my day off..lol but I usually stay up- not till 4 though i'll take some of that popcorn

:thisisgettinggood:
 
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today was my day off..lol but I usually stay up- not till 4 though i'll take some of that popcorn

:thisisgettinggood:

Plus we might get a surprise. There was talk earlier that as they go through lunch and continue talking that they might just keep going. This would mean Kim would have to cancel his 2pm flight. This could all keep going till tomorrow for all we know.
 
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