Andrew Cuomo shocks crowd, says America 'was never that great'

[LV426]

I don't think ICE should be abolished. I think our immigration laws should be liberalized but we still need border protection.

Well, ICE provides nothing of value to immigration and has only existed for about 15 years. We got along plenty fine prior to ICE, so we'd be fine without it.

I'm glad to see you are in favor of liberalizing immigration laws. So I'm giving you credit where credit's due and am happy to see you and I are in alignment on that point.

 

[LV426]

Here's some advice for you. Ask people the positions they hold before assuming and making an ass of yourself

You're totally right...I made a poor assumption of you that I should not have, and I apologize for presuming something about you that was untrue.

 

[cawacko]

you need it written out? No, I do not support taking babies from families. Why would I?

 

[LV426]

Give a set definition then

A society where all people are fairly represented in government.

 

[evince]

it was his way of saying

we will always seek a more perfect union


this nation is never done


the founders designed it that way

 

[LV426]

You guys love to glom onto our accomplishments and claim our current motives are the same as yours of the past.

Oh, you had a hand in Women's Suffrage? Really? So did you hop in a Delorean and travel back in time? Because I gotta say, the current GOP today seems to be under the belief that only male heads of households should be allowed to vote. At least, that's what a Utah GOP official posted on Facebook.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Oh, you had a hand in Women's Suffrage? Really? So did you hop in a Delorean and travel back in time? Because I gotta say, the current GOP today seems to be under the belief that only male heads of households should be allowed to vote. At least, that's what a Utah GOP official posted on Facebook.

1. You sexist bastard for assuming women can't be head of households.
2. The opinion of a group isn't defined the opinion of one of its members.

 

[LV426]

1. You sexist bastard for assuming women can't be head of households.

"Giving voting rights to others"

So who was given voting rights?

Women.

Apparently, the GOP thinks that was a mistake.

 

[MAGA MAN]

"Giving voting rights to others"

So who was given voting rights?

Women.

Apparently, the GOP thinks that was a mistake.

1. You sexist bastard for assuming women can't be head of households.
2. The opinion of a group isn't defined the opinion of one of its members.

 

[LV426]

2. The opinion of a group isn't defined the opinion of one of its members.

Wait - so on the one hand you're pretending that he wasn't talking about women's suffrage and the 14th Amendment, but on the other hand you're saying his opinion isn't representative of your belief system? Huh?

 

[LV426]

1. You sexist bastard for assuming women can't be head of households

Back in the early 20th century, when women were given the right to vote, they weren't considered the heads of households.

2. The opinion of a group isn't defined the opinion of one of its members.

This is the groundwork for the "No True Scotsman" defense you're about to use.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Wait - so on the one hand you're pretending that he wasn't talking about women's suffrage and the 14th Amendment, but on the other hand you're saying his opinion isn't representative of your belief system? Huh?

Wait - so on the one hand you're pretending that he was talking about women's suffrage and the 14th Amendment, but on the other hand you're saying his opinion is representative of my belief system? Huh?

 

[LV426]

Wait - so on the one hand you're pretending that he was talking about women's suffrage and the 14th Amendment, but on the other hand you're saying his opinion is representative of my belief system? Huh?

He was talking about women's suffrage and the 14th amendment when he said "given the right to vote". Those two things literally gave non-"heads of households" the right to vote.

I also note that you're so deficient, the best response you can give is to plagairize what someone else wrote, changing a few words, so you don't have to be held to account for your own self-contradictions.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Back in the early 20th century, when women were given the right to vote, they weren't considered the heads of households.

So did you hop in a Delorean and travel back in time?

This is the groundwork for the "No True Scotsman" defense you're about to use.

The opinion of a group isn't defined the opinion of one of its members.

 

[MAGA MAN]

He was talking about women's suffrage and the 14th amendment when he said "given the right to vote". Those two things literally gave non-"heads of households" the right to vote.

I also note that you're so deficient, the best response you can give is to plagairize what someone else wrote, changing a few words, so you don't have to be held to account for your own self-contradictions.

It's called "mocking"; to use your own words against you, and is considered high art.

 

[LV426]

So did you hop in a Delorean and travel back in time?

No. I read books and know history. You are resorting to flaming now, like Legion does, because you recognize you don't really have a valid position in this debate, but are too narcissistic to just leave the thread.

 

[LV426]

The opinion of a group isn't defined the opinion of one of its members.

Too bad this guy is an official in the Utah GOP. So the GOP is defined by his opinions because he's the precinct chair of the Utah GOP.

 

[LV426]

It's called "mocking"; to use your own words against you, and is considered high art.

It's laziness is what it is.

It's also narcissism.

And it borders on psychopathy.

 

[MAGA MAN]

You are resorting to flaming now, like Legion does, because you recognize you don't really have a valid position in this debate, but are too narcissistic to just leave the thread.

No doubt the irony of your post escapes you.

Why did you lie, liar?
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...alling-LV426-to-the-mat&p=2440688#post2440688

 

[MAGA MAN]

Too bad this guy is an official in the Utah GOP. So the GOP is defined by his opinions because he's the precinct chair of the Utah GOP.

Faulty logic.