I Agree With The Founders About Healthcare

Flash said:
"In 2014, more than 50,000 Canadians left the country for medical treatment, a 25 percent increase from the previous year. A similar number left the country for treatment in 2015.
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OK, so in 2015, how many Americans went to Canada to buy drugs? How many Americans went abroad to single payer countries for health care?
 
CFM said:
I benefited.
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BULLSHIT. Prove it.



CFM said:
That you didn't means you should remove your sig line because it sounds as if you're jealous of someone doing better than you.
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You're making shit up about yourself. You don't even pay for your own health care and you want me to believe you benefited from the Russia Tax Cut? FUCK OFF.
 
CFM said:
Jesus never taught that it was OK to take from those bleeding hearts like you think have too much, give it to someone you bleeding hearts think have too little, and claim compassion although it didn't come out of your own pocket.
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Ahhhh, the common excuse of the ignorant who thinks greed is the common command of God in order to justify his allowing others to suffer while he lives in luxury.

https://tifwe.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Sell-Your-Possessions-Reformatted-Pennington.pdf
 
LV426 said:
In a single payer system they do because the entity representing the patients is the one that does the negotiating. So in a system where the profit motive for administrating reimbursements is removed, the bargaining power shifts to the side that has the leverage. And a single payer, by definition, has all the leverage. So a single payer can tell a provider they're only going to reimburse up to a certain amount for a particular procedure. If the doctor wants to make more money, the doctor is free to upcharge his/her patients. But that's not really going to translate to more profits for the doctor since health care is all about volume. That's how you lower costs, idiot. By using the bargaining power to negotiate for lower costs.

Have you ever negotiated for anything in your life?!?!?!?




Like I've said...the fundamentals of this subject you simply don't understand, and you're resistant to understanding them. You just want to make yourself feel better on a message board because your life is total shit.
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So the patients don't actually get to negotiate? Interesting how you're willing to let someone make decisions for you. Jealous and lazy is no way to go through life, boy.

I have what you don't have and said you wished you did. Apparently you think whining will make it better.
 
Old Trapper said:
Ahhhh, the common excuse of the ignorant who thinks greed is the common command of God in order to justify his allowing others to suffer while he lives in luxury.

https://tifwe.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Sell-Your-Possessions-Reformatted-Pennington.pdf
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Someone not doing with their money what a piece of shit like you thinks he/she should isn't greedy.

If you think someone is suffering yet personally do nothing to help them, why do you want them to suffer? Why do you blame someone else that doesn't do what you've indicated you believe is YOUR responsibility to do?
 
LV426 said:
BULLSHIT. Prove it.





You're making shit up about yourself. You don't even pay for your own health care and you want me to believe you benefited from the Russia Tax Cut? FUCK OFF.
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If you want me to fuck off, step up, be a man, and back up the demand, son.

You don't have to believe me. As long as the bank account keeps increasing because of it is all that matters. Jealousy is getting the best of you, boy.
 
LV426 said:
OK, so in 2015, how many Americans went to Canada to buy drugs? How many Americans went abroad to single payer countries for health care?
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Are you saying someone from Florida drove or flew to Canada and bought medications? Texas? Any state along the gulf coast?

I'm curious about something. If someone can't afford healthcare and, as a result, chooses to go abroad, how do they pay for the travel expenses?
 
CFM said:
Are you saying someone from Florida drove or flew to Canada and bought medications? Texas? Any state along the gulf coast?

I'm curious about something. If someone can't afford healthcare and, as a result, chooses to go abroad, how do they pay for the travel expenses?
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CFM I bought my bp meds for years from Canada online,till it went generic here.
 
Nordberg said:
People can fly abroad, like to India, stay a couple weeks, get medical care, come home ahead on the cost of US medical care. Lots of southern Americans get dental and other care in Mexico.https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ican-town-is-a-destination-for-dental-tourism
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How do they afford the ticket if they can't afford the premiums for coverage? Perhaps they're like the food stamp freeloaders that claim they don't have money to buy food for themselves and their kids but magically have it to buy necessities like cigarettes and alcohol.
 
LV426 said:
OK, so in 2015, how many Americans went to Canada to buy drugs? How many Americans went abroad to single payer countries for health care?
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My post was in response to a comment about Canadians being happy with their healthcare system--I simply said some were not. I said nothing about the U. S. system or comparisons with Canada.

But, since you ask about it:

Canadians seeking healthcare abroad: 50,000 out of 36 million. 0.0013%
Americans seeking healthcare abroad: 1.4 million of 300,000000 0.0046%

About 800,000 international medical tourists go to the U. S. annually.
 
Flash said:
My post was in response to a comment about Canadians being happy with their healthcare system--I simply said some were not. I said nothing about the U. S. system or comparisons with Canada.

But, since you ask about it:

Canadians seeking healthcare abroad: 50,000 out of 36 million. 0.0013%
Americans seeking healthcare abroad: 1.4 million of 300,000000 0.0046%

About 800,000 international medical tourists go to the U. S. annually.
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The way LV made it out, everyone was going outside the country.
 
Robo said:
Actually I think the founding principles had it right and it's the only actual constitutional way to go related to healthcare.

The founding principle was and is supposed to still be that the several states would act as a laboratory with the end result being the best, better solution for everything by the trial and error system. That's why amendment 10 to our constitution gives most powers to the states and or the people. The founders determined that government closest to the people would be more responsible by definition, i.e. the state government and or local government as opposed to the remote national government'


Thus, healthcare should be the power and determination of every individual state government, local government and the people of the particular state. Thus. the best healthcare will eventually rise to the top and thereby be adopted by every state likely with revisions therewith to accord with particular conditions of each particular state. Folks that didn't like a particular state's healthcare system could simply vote with their feet and move to another state where they would consider themselves better served.


This is what the founders envisioned and delivered constitutionally, "The Several State Laboratory" to establish free market solutions, preserve freedom and incorporate the best/better ideas.

BTW, every state and local government should have the unconditional right and power to negotiate any and all healthcare insurance policies and drug prices with insurance companies and BIG pharmaceutical companies.

Just sayin!
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You do not however agree with a majority of your fellow citizens. You know that, right? No?
 
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