Liberals Are Desperate To Blame Trump For Puerto Rico’s High Death Toll

[PostmodernProphet]

He had NO plan at the start. He had no plan after it ended. Let them languish. Let them die. After all they're not 'real' Americans, right? Though he did throw them papertowels.

bullshit......there was a military hospital ship in port before the storm even hit and supplies were in route right behind the storm......

 

[kudzu]

bullshit......there was a military hospital ship in port before the storm even hit and supplies were in route right behind the storm......

excerpts:

Sept 26th.............


WASHINGTON – Federal and military aid for Puerto Rico increased Tuesday, including news that the hospital ship Comfort would be deployed, as officials got a clearer picture of the obscene destruction Hurricane Maria wrought on the U.S. territory.



What federal officials visiting the island have found: 42 percent of Puerto Rico’s population is without drinking water. Eighty percent of the island’s electrical transmission system ― its substations and transmission lines ― and 100 percent of its distribution system was damaged by the storm, said Lt. Col. Jamie Davis, a Pentagon spokesman.



As of late Tuesday, 21 of Puerto Rico’s 69 hospitals had some functionality. The remaining 48 hospitals had an unknown status, Davis said.





On Tuesday, Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator Brock Long told reporters at the White House that it was dispatching the Navy hospital ship Comfort, a converted super tanker with 1,000 beds, 12 operating rooms, a CAT-scan, and radiology capabilities to Puerto Rico.



On Tuesday the Navy said it would have the Comfort underway within the next 96 hours.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...hospital-ship-comfort-heading-to-puerto-rico/

 

[CFM]

They never got the relief they needed dumbfuck. That goes to the top, and since he's bragged about how good he did, he can take center stage responsibility. So eat some humble pie with your asswipe savior, botboy.

You and the rest of the bleeding hearts didn't do enough personally to help them. When they start paying into the pot from which they wanted to draw, they might get some help. Until then, let them rely on peopel like you that claim a responsibility to them.

 

[CFM]

excerpts:

Sept 26th.............


WASHINGTON – Federal and military aid for Puerto Rico increased Tuesday, including news that the hospital ship Comfort would be deployed, as officials got a clearer picture of the obscene destruction Hurricane Maria wrought on the U.S. territory.



What federal officials visiting the island have found: 42 percent of Puerto Rico’s population is without drinking water. Eighty percent of the island’s electrical transmission system ― its substations and transmission lines ― and 100 percent of its distribution system was damaged by the storm, said Lt. Col. Jamie Davis, a Pentagon spokesman.



As of late Tuesday, 21 of Puerto Rico’s 69 hospitals had some functionality. The remaining 48 hospitals had an unknown status, Davis said.





On Tuesday, Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator Brock Long told reporters at the White House that it was dispatching the Navy hospital ship Comfort, a converted super tanker with 1,000 beds, 12 operating rooms, a CAT-scan, and radiology capabilities to Puerto Rico.



On Tuesday the Navy said it would have the Comfort underway within the next 96 hours.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...hospital-ship-comfort-heading-to-puerto-rico/

Looks to me like you didn't personally do enough to help people you claim deserved it.

 

[CFM]

He had NO plan at the start. He had no plan after it ended. Let them languish. Let them die. After all they're not 'real' Americans, right? Though he did throw them papertowels.

You personally should have done more. Blame it on yourself.

 

[midcan5]

Trump and the Trump administration are simply incompetent, there is no need for anyone to blame Donnie for the incompetence of his administration they aren't there to administer and govern anyone who has read his history knows he is a self centered spoiled little boy. His goal and the family's goal is to exploit their position.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

excerpts:

Sept 26th.............


WASHINGTON – Federal and military aid for Puerto Rico increased Tuesday, including news that the hospital ship Comfort would be deployed, as officials got a clearer picture of the obscene destruction Hurricane Maria wrought on the U.S. territory.



What federal officials visiting the island have found: 42 percent of Puerto Rico’s population is without drinking water. Eighty percent of the island’s electrical transmission system ― its substations and transmission lines ― and 100 percent of its distribution system was damaged by the storm, said Lt. Col. Jamie Davis, a Pentagon spokesman.



As of late Tuesday, 21 of Puerto Rico’s 69 hospitals had some functionality. The remaining 48 hospitals had an unknown status, Davis said.





On Tuesday, Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator Brock Long told reporters at the White House that it was dispatching the Navy hospital ship Comfort, a converted super tanker with 1,000 beds, 12 operating rooms, a CAT-scan, and radiology capabilities to Puerto Rico.



On Tuesday the Navy said it would have the Comfort underway within the next 96 hours.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...hospital-ship-comfort-heading-to-puerto-rico/

FEMA was already on the ground in PR because of Irma which had hit earlier in the month......

 

[CFM]

PR is a territory.

Time to cut our losses with them. Too much of a drain and nothing in return.

 

[Stretch]

P.R. got FEMA, just like here.
P.R. has a governor and mayors, just like here.
P.R. received help from mainland power companies from N.Y. and many other states, just like here.
P.R. also received help from Samaritan's Purse and the Red Cross, just like here.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Trump and the Trump administration are simply incompetent, there is no need for anyone to blame Donnie for the incompetence of his administration they aren't there to administer and govern anyone who has read his history knows he is a self centered spoiled little boy. His goal and the family's goal is to exploit their position.

No source?

 

[zymurgy]

They never got the relief they needed dumbfuck. That goes to the top, and since he's bragged about how good he did, he can take center stage responsibility. So eat some humble pie with your asswipe savior, botboy.

did they ask for aid and was denied?

can you link to such an event?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No source?

that would be original midcan.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

did they ask for aid and was denied?

can you link to such an event?

they didn't even use all the aid that was delivered......

 

[Oneuli]

The death toll has been touted at just under 3000 by research done by GWU. It was purely a textbook study and none of the researchers set foot on the island. The real number may be less than 40, although I have heard something about a "mass grave" found in a mudslide area. Not sure how a mudslide could be the fault of Trump. Maybe liberals think he has the power of God?

You don't need to step foot on the island to note the difference between mortality rates before the storm and mortality rates after the storm. There was a dramatic increase in mortality in the wake of the storm. With any given death, it's going to be hard to attribute many of those to the storm. For example, if someone dies of an illness that's made worse by heat, and the person was living without air conditioning due to the power being out after the storm, did the storm kill her? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe she would have died even if her home had air conditioning. Or maybe she'd have lived. The same is true for all sorts of effects from decimated infrastructure and services, and a destroyed economy. At the individual level, you could be standing right there and not say with confidence whether the death was the fault of the storm. But you can step back and look at the trend lines and see that, on average, there were vastly more of those kinds of deaths in the wake of the storm than there were in comparable time periods prior to the storm, and you can confirm that there was no similar spike in mortality in other areas where the storm didn't hit. That's the way such mortality studies are done.

 

[PoliTalker]

If a road or a bridge got wiped out because of the hurricane, and that prevents access to the ER, then that is a hurricane-related death.

And this whole thing would not be so prominent in the news if the president didn't screw up and make a big deal out of it, arguing about the number.

He should have just accepted the estimate and let it go.

But he had to make a big deal out of it, so now everybody is talking about how lousy a job he did.

 

[Getin the ring]

You don't need to step foot on the island to note the difference between mortality rates before the storm and mortality rates after the storm. There was a dramatic increase in mortality in the wake of the storm. With any given death, it's going to be hard to attribute many of those to the storm. For example, if someone dies of an illness that's made worse by heat, and the person was living without air conditioning due to the power being out after the storm, did the storm kill her? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe she would have died even if her home had air conditioning.

exactly,

and that's trumps point,
he was on the scene just days after the hurricane passed and the MAyor told him 16 deaths.

Now 3000, I'd say anyone with a brain would say most deaths were attributed to the storm, not a direct result of.

Still deaths, but this talking point is another desperate liberal attempt,
so sad

Slime balls will stoop this low as to do such a thing is why they have been getting beat down in every election since 2012

 

[Oneuli]

exactly,

and that's trumps point,

Trump's point is that there was a huge spike in mortality in the wake of the storm? OK, if you say so.

That's the knock on Trump's response. He's been acting like the only death count that can be reasonably attributed to the storm are those deaths where there is a clear cause and effect on the individual basis -- e.g., the wind blows a tree down, it falls on someone's head, and she dies. If you restrict yourself just to those deaths, the death toll was fairly low, just as is the case with nearly all natural disasters. The way those disasters become deadlier are through the statistical deaths -- the deaths from elevated disease rates, from worsened nutrition, from diminished health care, etc. That's what those studies of the disaster in Puerto Rico are looking at, which is very similar to how previous studies of large disasters have worked:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...y_in_Florida_during_the_2004_hurricane_season

Those are the deaths for which politicians can most reasonably be held responsible. There's little a president could be expected to do to prevent a tree from falling on someone's head while the hurricane is raging. Those immediate deaths are often impossible to prevent, or can only really be prevented by the local officials who are in place to order evacuations, etc., (and whose zoning policies, staffing decisions for first responders, etc., may have set the area up to be more vulnerable). But a president can have an impact during the weeks and months following the storm, in making sure that services return to normal as quickly as possible, reducing the degree and duration of the the mortality elevation in that period. In the case of Puerto Rico, it took almost a year to return the whole island to 20th century standards for infrastructure. Just basics like working electricity were denied the people living there for months on end. That's the kind of thing that can result in a longer-term elevation of mortality, and it's also the kind of thing competent presidential intervention could help alleviate.

 

[Lesh]

You don't need to step foot on the island to note the difference between mortality rates before the storm and mortality rates after the storm. There was a dramatic increase in mortality in the wake of the storm. With any given death, it's going to be hard to attribute many of those to the storm. For example, if someone dies of an illness that's made worse by heat, and the person was living without air conditioning due to the power being out after the storm, did the storm kill her? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe she would have died even if her home had air conditioning. Or maybe she'd have lived. The same is true for all sorts of effects from decimated infrastructure and services, and a destroyed economy. At the individual level, you could be standing right there and not say with confidence whether the death was the fault of the storm. But you can step back and look at the trend lines and see that, on average, there were vastly more of those kinds of deaths in the wake of the storm than there were in comparable time periods prior to the storm, and you can confirm that there was no similar spike in mortality in other areas where the storm didn't hit. That's the way such mortality studies are done.

Which is how the studies with Katrina were done as well

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The leader is always responsible.

 

[zymurgy]

Trump's point is that there was a huge spike in mortality in the wake of the storm? OK, if you say so.

That's the knock on Trump's response. He's been acting like the only death count that can be reasonably attributed to the storm are those deaths where there is a clear cause and effect on the individual basis -- e.g., the wind blows a tree down, it falls on someone's head, and she dies. If you restrict yourself just to those deaths, the death toll was fairly low, just as is the case with nearly all natural disasters. The way those disasters become deadlier are through the statistical deaths -- the deaths from elevated disease rates, from worsened nutrition, from diminished health care, etc. That's what those studies of the disaster in Puerto Rico are looking at, which is very similar to how previous studies of large disasters have worked:

https://www.researchgate.net/public...y_in_Florida_during_the_2004_hurricane_season

Those are the deaths for which politicians can most reasonably be held responsible. There's little a president could be expected to do to prevent a tree from falling on someone's head while the hurricane is raging. Those immediate deaths are often impossible to prevent, or can only really be prevented by the local officials who are in place to order evacuations, etc., (and whose zoning policies, staffing decisions for first responders, etc., may have set the area up to be more vulnerable). But a president can have an impact during the weeks and months following the storm, in making sure that services return to normal as quickly as possible, reducing the degree and duration of the the mortality elevation in that period. In the case of Puerto Rico, it took almost a year to return the whole island to 20th century standards for infrastructure. Just basics like working electricity were denied the people living there for months on end. That's the kind of thing that can result in a longer-term elevation of mortality, and it's also the kind of thing competent presidential intervention could help alleviate.

I have asked for some evidence of the Federal Government refusing help that was asked for

Do you know of any such occurrence?

Otherwise, this comes up as partisan douchebaggery. Governors, and leaders of the effected area are in charge, and ask for assistance.

So again, do you know of, or have some link to an example of how the Trump admin sat by as assistance was asked for?