U.K.'s Healthcare Horror Stories Ought To Curb Dems' Enthusiasm for Single-Payer

J Craft

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The United Kingdom's National Health Service, which celebrated its 70th anniversary on July 5, is imploding.
Vacancies for doctor and nurse positions have reached all-time highs. Patients are facing interminable waits for care as a result. This August, a record number of Britons languished more than 12 hours in emergency rooms. In July, the share of cancer patients who waited more than two months to receive treatment soared.
Yet enthusiasm for government-run, single-payer health care continues to build in the United States. The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll shows that 70 percent of Americans now support Medicare for All. Virtually all the major candidates for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020 have come out in favor of banning private insurance coverage and implementing a single-payer system instead.
One look across the Atlantic, to the disaster unfolding in the United Kingdom's government-run healthcare system, ought to curb that enthusiasm.
The NHS has struggled to fully staff its hospitals and clinics since its inception in 1948. But today, the shortages are growing worse. Nine percent of physician posts are vacant. That's a shortfall of nearly 11,500 doctors.


The NHS is also short 42,000 nurses. In the second quarter alone, nurse vacancies increased by 17 percent. Meanwhile, in the United States, nearly all states will have a surplus of nurses by 2030.
It's unsurprising that people don't want to work as nurses in Great Britain; it's a stressful job, with long hours and terrible working conditions. Some NHS nurses are taking positions at supermarkets because stacking shelves comes with better hours, benefits, and pay, according to a report in the London Economic.

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Real 'Socialized' medicine comes with Government owned Hospitals (like VA Hospitals).
Real 'Socialized' medicine comes with Government paid Doctors and Nurses (like the ones Veterans see).

'Medicare for All' doesn't have ANY of that. 'Medicare for All' solely removes "FOR PROFIT" Insurance Companies, and replaces it with a "NON PROFIT" Insurance company.

(keep drinking the Kool-Aide J. Craft, looks like they did a pretty good job on you)
 
The UK health service is being starved of funds by the UK government - which is beholden to its donors who want the service privatized.
They are the face of capitalism. They have sold most of the UK's publicly-owned infrastructure to their cronies. It's simply theft by men in suits.

The UK has a Socialist government-in-waiting. Tax cheats and other parasites should get out now.
 
The UK health service is being starved of funds by the UK government - which is beholden to its donors who want the service privatized.
They are the face of capitalism. They have sold most of the UK's publicly-owned infrastructure to their cronies. It's simply theft by men in suits.

Excellent response. Republicans do the same here with Social Security, try to find ways to make sure it goes bankrupt.
 
The United Kingdom's National Health Service, which celebrated its 70th anniversary on July 5, is imploding.
Vacancies for doctor and nurse positions have reached all-time highs. Patients are facing interminable waits for care as a result. This August, a record number of Britons languished more than 12 hours in emergency rooms. In July, the share of cancer patients who waited more than two months to receive treatment soared.
Yet enthusiasm for government-run, single-payer health care continues to build in the United States. The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll shows that 70 percent of Americans now support Medicare for All. Virtually all the major candidates for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020 have come out in favor of banning private insurance coverage and implementing a single-payer system instead.
One look across the Atlantic, to the disaster unfolding in the United Kingdom's government-run healthcare system, ought to curb that enthusiasm.
The NHS has struggled to fully staff its hospitals and clinics since its inception in 1948. But today, the shortages are growing worse. Nine percent of physician posts are vacant. That's a shortfall of nearly 11,500 doctors.


The NHS is also short 42,000 nurses. In the second quarter alone, nurse vacancies increased by 17 percent. Meanwhile, in the United States, nearly all states will have a surplus of nurses by 2030.
It's unsurprising that people don't want to work as nurses in Great Britain; it's a stressful job, with long hours and terrible working conditions. Some NHS nurses are taking positions at supermarkets because stacking shelves comes with better hours, benefits, and pay, according to a report in the London Economic.

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You've already LOST the argument. The argument is OVER. Now you'll just have hold the REP party POLS in check. AMERICA wants it. I'll give it 10 years and we will have a version of UNIVERSAL health care.

Seventy percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' in new poll ...
https://thehill.com/.../403248-poll-seventy-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for...

Aug 23, 2018 - A vast majority — 70 percent — of Americans in a new poll supports "Medicare for all," also known as a single-payer health-care system. The Reuters–Ipsos survey found 85 percent of Democrats said they support the policy along with 52 percent of Republicans. ... The new Reuters ...






 
The Conservatives are pledged to increase NHS spending by £20 billion per year, 2 billion of which will go on improved mental health services.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7612181/budget-2018-mental-health-services-hospitals-schools-hotline/


maggot is rooting for the wealth- as is his...er....nature.

According to the UK press, maggot- that money was allocated last June. Your Tory scumsacks keep promising the same money without actually handing it over. Further, governments promise funds in headline amounts for their daft supporters- like yourself- but neglect to say loudly that it will be available over several years into the future. Meanwhile- as in the case of the UK health service- they hive it off to their relatives and cronies who lap up the public money to which every long-suffering worker contributes.
You're a thief , maggot. The working Brit is, no doubt, supporting you in relative luxury in your odious retirement.
 
maggot is rooting for the wealth- as is his...er....nature.

According to the UK press, maggot- that money was allocated last June. Your Tory scumsacks keep promising the same money without actually handing it over. Further, governments promise funds in headline amounts for their daft supporters- like yourself- but neglect to say loudly that it will be available over several years into the future. Meanwhile- as in the case of the UK health service- they hive it off to their relatives and cronies who lap up the public money to which every long-suffering worker contributes.
You're a thief , maggot. The working Brit is, no doubt, supporting you in relative luxury in your odious retirement.

I guess you're just too stupid to know that the Budget was two days ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46017125
 
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The United Kingdom's National Health Service, which celebrated its 70th anniversary on July 5, is imploding.
Vacancies for doctor and nurse positions have reached all-time highs. Patients are facing interminable waits for care as a result. This August, a record number of Britons languished more than 12 hours in emergency rooms. In July, the share of cancer patients who waited more than two months to receive treatment soared.
Yet enthusiasm for government-run, single-payer health care continues to build in the United States. The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll shows that 70 percent of Americans now support Medicare for All. Virtually all the major candidates for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020 have come out in favor of banning private insurance coverage and implementing a single-payer system instead.
One look across the Atlantic, to the disaster unfolding in the United Kingdom's government-run healthcare system, ought to curb that enthusiasm.
The NHS has struggled to fully staff its hospitals and clinics since its inception in 1948. But today, the shortages are growing worse. Nine percent of physician posts are vacant. That's a shortfall of nearly 11,500 doctors.


The NHS is also short 42,000 nurses. In the second quarter alone, nurse vacancies increased by 17 percent. Meanwhile, in the United States, nearly all states will have a surplus of nurses by 2030.
It's unsurprising that people don't want to work as nurses in Great Britain; it's a stressful job, with long hours and terrible working conditions. Some NHS nurses are taking positions at supermarkets because stacking shelves comes with better hours, benefits, and pay, according to a report in the London Economic.

Link

The UK's system is dirt cheap, and so it's not the best example of the kind of system we'd go for if we moved to a more socialized system. It's not just that the UK spends very little relative to the US ($4,192 per capita versus $10,348 per capita). It's even cheap relative to other wealthy nations (e.g., Germany spends about 1/3 more, at $5,550 per capita).

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...-spend-half-much-per-person-health-u-s-spends

So, the UK is an example of what you get if a wealthy nation puts a very heavy priority on keeping healthcare spending low. Their system is still better in quality than the US (for example, they live longer, have lower infant and maternal mortality, lower rates of preventable disease, etc.) But, it's a hassle of a system. If we moved to a system like theirs, it would only be an improvement because our system is so unbelievably horrible (even after the improvements brought about by Obamacare). We could certainly do better, though, if we moved to less of a shoe-string-budget system.... emulating a country like Germany, or even Canada or Australia, rather than the UK.
 
These are small countries compared to the US. The logistics alone of a nationalized healthcare system would take a generation to sort out. If you want a real cautionary tale, look no further than the couple hundred plus women in Ireland who got the all clear on the cervical cancer screenings who, in fact, had cervical cancer. Care to guess who read those tests? A company in Texas.
 
The UK's system is dirt cheap, and so it's not the best example of the kind of system we'd go for if we moved to a more socialized system. It's not just that the UK spends very little relative to the US ($4,192 per capita versus $10,348 per capita). It's even cheap relative to other wealthy nations (e.g., Germany spends about 1/3 more, at $5,550 per capita).

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...-spend-half-much-per-person-health-u-s-spends

So, the UK is an example of what you get if a wealthy nation puts a very heavy priority on keeping healthcare spending low. Their system is still better in quality than the US (for example, they live longer, have lower infant and maternal mortality, lower rates of preventable disease, etc.) But, it's a hassle of a system. If we moved to a system like theirs, it would only be an improvement because our system is so unbelievably horrible (even after the improvements brought about by Obamacare). We could certainly do better, though, if we moved to less of a shoe-string-budget system.... emulating a country like Germany, or even Canada or Australia, rather than the UK.

The California prison system spends $70k per year per inmate ... of which $20k per year per inmate is for socialized healthcare. Let me repeat ... $20k per year per inmate for socialized healthcare.

How much is $20k times 330 million people?
 
The SCUM of the right want more than anything to deny healthcare to all citizens.

"Let 'em die in the streets" is the American conservative mantra. "They didn't have the common sense to be born to proper parents...they deserve it" is how they think.

We Americans have got to move past the disgusting American right mentality.

Humanity in the rest of the world has got to move past this abominable lurch to the right taking place.

I hope it happens peacefully.

It WILL happen...peacefully or not.
 
Real 'Socialized' medicine comes with Government owned Hospitals (like VA Hospitals).
Real 'Socialized' medicine comes with Government paid Doctors and Nurses (like the ones Veterans see).

'Medicare for All' doesn't have ANY of that. 'Medicare for All' solely removes "FOR PROFIT" Insurance Companies, and replaces it with a "NON PROFIT" Insurance company.

(keep drinking the Kool-Aide J. Craft, looks like they did a pretty good job on you)

It's hard to imagine anyone who could be more wrong. Government run healthcare means shortages of doctors and treatments leading to more unnecessary deaths.

I do wish you had a brain.
 
Please note that any party that proposed to replace the NHS with the American shambles would be wiped out entirely. The NHS is more popular than the monarchy by a long shot.
 
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