HUGE!! Trump to end birthright citizenship!!!

[Jarod]

It is not a a federal matter. Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the federal government to nationalize health care insurance. That makes it a State matter.
See the 9th and 10th amendments and Article I.

The health and safety of Americans is not a federal matter?

 

[Jarod]

To provide for the General Welfare of the people is not a federal matter?

 

[Into the Night]

If someone born under American Jurisdiction can be barred from Citizenship...

There is no American jurisdiction. Illegal immigrants are subject to the political jurisdiction of their nation or origin. They can only be deported to their nation of origin because of it. Illegal immigrants from Mexico, for example, are subject to the political jurisdiction of Mexico.

Clearly we can limit access to AR-15's via executive order.

Nope. The President does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

Actually goes back to 1868 but I'm willing to bet you already knew that

The 'anchor baby' policy was instituted by Pres. Kennedy. The 14th amendment was ratified in 1986. The 14th amendment does not grant citizenship to foreign nationals.

 

[Into the Night]

I am just sayin, there is more argument about the language in the second amendment than the 13th.

What's to argue? People who want to destroy the Constitution of the United States are the only ones pushing gun 'control' laws.

 

[Into the Night]

Yup - if you want to amend the constitution then go thru the amending process. But nowadays the SC amends the constitution all the time and the press calls it an interpretation!!

The Supreme Court doesn't even have authority to interpret the Constitution. Nothing in Article III gives them that authority.

 

[Into the Night]

Someone born to an illegal alien is NOT under the political jurisdiction of america. They inherit the nationality of the mother. THINK

'America' is capitalized. it is a proper noun. Mexicans, Canadians, Venezuelans. Brazilians, are just as much Americans as anyone in the United States. There is no nation of 'America'.

Other than substituting 'america' when you meant 'United States', you are correct.

 

[Into the Night]

Nationality and jurisdiction are two different things, and if they are born here and are under our jurisdiction, they are Americans.

No. A foreign nationals from Europe that happen to have a baby in the United States does not make any of them citizens of the United States or Americans. They, and the baby, are Europeans.

 

[Jarod]

No. A foreign nationals from Europe that happen to have a baby in the United States does not make any of them citizens of the United States or Americans. They, and the baby, are Europeans.

That’s not what the Constitution says.

 

[Sailor]

If you can’t follow the flow of a thread, waterboy, you should just get the fuck out and quit embarrassing yourself.

Better yet, illiterate fuckwad, to quit embarrassing yourself, you should get the fuck off the forum altogether.

You poor "little" angry twerp. Everything is "little" about you Gomer. Your stature, your intellect, your ability to read and comprehend. Obviously your education also. That all weighs on you. Some of the reason for your emotional and childish outbursts. Certainly not all the reason now is it?

 

[Into the Night]

That was what caused them to write the 14th, but they intentionally wrote it so that it was not specific to slaves. They wrote it to apply to all those born here and under our jurisdiction.

I could argue that the 2nd was written to apply only to Muskets and single manually loaded rifles.

In the 2nd case, you would be changing the Constitution.

 

[Jarod]

There is no American jurisdiction. Illegal immigrants are subject to the political jurisdiction of their nation or origin. They can only be deported to their nation of origin because of it. Illegal immigrants from Mexico, for example, are subject to the political jurisdiction of Mexico.

Nope. The President does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

What is political jurisdiction and where is that term in the Constitution?

 

[Into the Night]

Where does the 14th say the parent has to be a Naturalized Citizen? All they have do be is under American jurisdiction. And clearly they are.

If they were not under American Jurisdiction how did Trump separate immigrant families, for example?>

There is no 'American' jurisdiction. There is no nation 'America'.

 

[Into the Night]

same way he would separate you from your children if they were with you in the commission of a crime

you can't be that stupid, can you Jarod



they can interpret it's meaning and intent

OMG I'm talking to morons

Nothing in Article III gives the Supreme Court (or any court) to interpret the Constitution of the United States. They are required to operate UNDER that document. They have no authority OVER it.

 

[Into the Night]

Idiotic, you know not what you are talking about.

You are grasping at straws.

Denying Article III, eh?

 

[Into the Night]

The health and safety of Americans is not a federal matter?

Non-sequitur.

 

[Into the Night]

That’s not what the Constitution says.

Yes it does.

 

[Jarod]

Denying Article III, eh?

No

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Where does the 14th say the parent has to be a Naturalized Citizen? All they have do be is under American jurisdiction. And clearly they are.

If they were not under American Jurisdiction how did Trump separate immigrant families, for example?>

For the tenth time, illegals are under the legal jurisdiction of america but NOT the political jurisdiction and that is what the 14A refers to. The kid inherits the nationality of the mother and that is the nation the kid is subject to. THINK

 

[Into the Night]

What is political jurisdiction and where is that term in the Constitution?

The nation of the individual. It is that term used in the Constitution, since the jurisdiction of a sheriff, law officer, or court is limited to subsets of the United States.