Cohen’s pleas concocted by prosecutors to snare Trump

LV426 said:
Mueller is a registered Republican.

And a highly effective attorney; that's how he got Gotti, Enron, and how he'll get Trump.

You're whining about how unfair it is that Trump and his people can't tell the truth.

No one is manipulated into lying; to lie takes an active mind that makes an active choice to not tell the truth.

Unless you're saying that Trump and his people are pathological liars. In which case, what does that say about your judgment that you'd defend them?
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Mueller is classic abuse of power: He's acting in a Stalinesque manner because he has unfettered power

paul said it best:

Paul said the special counsel is no longer looking at Russian collusion in the 2016 election.

“Going after someone’s personal attorney is a great overstep, I think, in the authority of the prosecutor,” Paul said. “This is why I have opposed, really, having special prosecutors for almost anything, because I think they abuse their authority. So I think Mueller has abused his authority.”
 
Heff said:
The difference is that one is a proven campaign violation, the other is an allegation. Now they'll have to prove that it was a campaign expenditure and not private spending.
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If Mueller brought charges, I’m sure he has evidence to back it up, just like with Manafort.

That juror, Paula Duncan, who described herself as a strong supporter of President Trump, said on Fox News that even though she believed the prosecutors had targeted Mr. Manafort in hopes of gaining information against Mr. Trump, the evidence against him “was overwhelming.”
“I did not want Paul Manafort to be guilty,” Ms. Duncan said, “but he was.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/us/manafort-juror-paula-duncan.amp.html
 
Old Trapper said:
About time for you to buy some new knee pads. Since when did Trump give a shit about his wife, and kid? If he did he would have kept his dick in his pants instead of in the mouth of the likes of you. Melania ain't no saint, and she is being well paid for staying with her whore, just as Ivana, and whats her name were, but your dickhead did marry her.
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Lots of men have afffairs and rich powerful men pay them off.
Which is what all this is - not an attempt to sway an election..FFS use Occam's razor
 
anatta said:
personal attack on me is deflection and not germane. it's childish as well.
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It was your poor personal judgment that led you to Trump.

Since that's the case, we must also examine everything else you say here; since your judgment was so off on Trump, on what else has your judgment steered you wrong?

I believe the rot goes far beyond Trump to the fundamental core of your personality.

I think you're just an insecure, underachieving wimp who has to live vicariously through other people just to taste a smidgen of the success you've never tasted on your own, and never will.

So you hitch your wagon to snake oil salesmen, be it Trump or the GOP or any Conservative nitwit, because they project that authoritarianism that appeals to you so much because ultimately, you don't trust yourself to have good instincts. That's probably some unmet need from your childhood; you probably had a father who didn't really give a shit about you, so you compensate for that by hitching yourself to men who resemble the shit parent your father was. Hence, your support for Trump.
 
Phantasmal said:
If Mueller brought charges, I’m sure he has evidence to back it up, just like with Manafort.

That juror, Paula Duncan, who described herself as a strong supporter of President Trump, said on Fox News that even though she believed the prosecutors had targeted Mr. Manafort in hopes of gaining information against Mr. Trump, the evidence against him “was overwhelming.”
“I did not want Paul Manafort to be guilty,” Ms. Duncan said, “but he was.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/us/manafort-juror-paula-duncan.amp.html
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Manafort had tangible overwhelming crimes. Cohen's documentation is what Mueller says it is.
Mueller ascribes a motive to create a CF law violation,and Cohen has to go along with it
 
anatta said:
They conjure up lying by finding a discrepancy or even an actual attempt to lie.
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So they see Trump lying, and decide to catch him lying.

LOL!

Why is Trump lying in the first place?

It takes an active mind to make the active choice to lie.

Unless you're saying Trump is a pathological liar?
 
anatta said:
Manafort had tangible overwhelming crimes. Cohen's documentation is what Mueller says it is.
Mueller ascribes a motive to create a CF law violation,and Cohen has to go along with it
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Cohen didn’t have to go along with it.
 
LV426 said:
It was your poor personal judgment that led you to Trump.

Since that's the case, we must also examine everything else you say here; since your judgment was so off on Trump, on what else has your judgment steered you wrong?

I believe the rot goes far beyond Trump to the fundamental core of your personality.

I think you're just an insecure, underachieving wimp who has to live vicariously through other people just to taste a smidgen of the success you've never tasted on your own, and never will.

So you hitch your wagon to snake oil salesmen, be it Trump or the GOP or any Conservative nitwit, because they project that authoritarianism that appeals to you so much because ultimately, you don't trust yourself to have good instincts. That's probably some unmet need from your childhood; you probably had a father who didn't really give a shit about you, so you compensate for that by hitching yourself to men who resemble the shit parent your father was. Hence, your support for Trump.
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who GAF what you think of me? certainly not me and I doubt anyone else except your psychobabble created for yourself
 
anatta said:
But nobody cares if Cohen or Flynn lied. The only reason we care is the ATTACHED POLITICAL NARRATIVE
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It's not Cohen and Flynn who lied so much as it was Manafort who lied. It was Manafort with whom Trump was coordinating responses to the Special Counsel.

So if Manafort lied, and Mueller knew Manafort lied, he didn't have to say anything for Trump to lie. Trump voluntarily lied in his written response to Mueller because he was coordinating his responses with Manafort, and Mueller knew about it the whole time.

So Mueller didn't lie. But Manafort did. And because Manafort and Trump were coordinating, that means Trump lied too.

And your poor judgment led you to Trump's corner.

That's going to reflect poorly on you and your ideas and beliefs.
 
Phantasmal said:
Cohen didn’t have to go along with it.
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but he did.
the consequences of not doing so would have been disastrous. as it is he still gets 4 years.

But if he been charged on the taxi medallions and god knows what else,he would have wound up like Manafort facing what is life in prison in solitary confinement

"I'll make him an offer he can't refuse"
 
anatta said:
Mueller is classic abuse of power: He's acting in a Stalinesque manner because he has unfettered power
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Mueller is not some Jedi using his Jedi mind powers to make Trump lie.

Trump is the pathological liar here, and your judgment was so poor that you hitched your wagon to him.

Now we're seeing you cry and whine how unfair it is that Trump's being caught by a guy much smarter than him.

Trump didn't have to lie. Neither did Manafort. They didn't have to coordinate their responses together. Why did they do all that? There's only one answer that makes sense; they're criminals and you got conned by them.
 
LV426 said:
So they see Trump lying, and decide to catch him lying.

LOL!

Why is Trump lying in the first place?

It takes an active mind to make the active choice to lie.

Unless you're saying Trump is a pathological liar?
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Trump lied about the payoff itself, not the reason for the payoff.
it's not a crime to lie about paying off a woman who is trying to shake him down, or just to make her go away.
Mueller attaches the narrative of CF violation, and then all of a sudden it's a "cover up" -except it never was
 
anatta said:
Paul said the special counsel is no longer looking at Russian collusion in the 2016 election
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Well, since Mueller doesn't leak, Rand Paul is talking out of his ass.

Also, why did Rand Paul decide to take a trip to Moscow this past year?

 
anatta said:
“Going after someone’s personal attorney is a great overstep, I think, in the authority of the prosecutor,” Paul said. “This is why I have opposed, really, having special prosecutors for almost anything, because I think they abuse their authority. So I think Mueller has abused his authority.”
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Rand Paul took an all-expense paid trip to Moscow in August of this year, and didn't say why.
 
anatta said:
who GAF what you think of me? certainly not me and I doubt anyone else except your psychobabble created for yourself
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You got conned and you're too much of an egomaniac to admit it.

You know that admitting it would lead to the inevitable questions about your character and judgment.

I doubt you could withstand such scrutiny. Mentally, you're just too fragile to confront that ignorance.
 
anatta said:
Trump lied about the payoff itself, not the reason for the payoff.
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WHY DID HE LIE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

And since he lied about that, why wouldn't he have also lied about Russia?

We already know he lied about Russia when he said, repeatedly, that no one in his campaign had any contact with Russia. That was a lie.

So you see, pulling at one lie ends up unraveling a whole bunch of others.

That's probably why it's taken Mueller so long.
 
anatta said:
I’m experiencing 1998 déjà vu as prosecutors once again work overtime to turn extramarital affairs and the efforts to keep them secret into impeachable high crimes and misdemeanors.
Unable to get the witnesses to compose the stories they want, today’s prosecutors are discovering they can simply compose the crimes by manipulating the pleas of men desperate to protect their families.

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Sorry, this train has left the station and no amount of rhetorical pretzels is going to change the trajectory of this Nothing Burger.

Every reasonable and sentient person here - every single one - knows that Trump is a con man, his life has been all about the big con. Squeaky clean business men do not hire "fixers". Every poster here knows that Trump's life has been spent skirting on the edge of the law, if not over it.

All of Trump's corruption, all of his lies, all of his sleazy business deals, and all of his relationships with Russians, such as they are, are going to come to light eventually.

If Trump is squeaky clean, and this is all just a big Nothing Burger as you have invested a message board career claiming, than you have nothing to worry about.
 
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