why cant we agree on what is racism?

To me the more important matter is of any race is the ability to recognize that racism is wrong. Either it is or it is not wrong to discriminate based on race. It does not matter which race is doing the discrimination. It is either wrong or it is not wrong to murder. Does it matter what race the person doing the murdering is? Or theft? Or lying? Or any other morally or legally reprehensible action? Why should racism be any different? Either it is wrong or it is not.


Please site a time in American history where blacks enslaved whites and oppressed them for hundreds of years.

American racism is institutional. This country was built on racism and slavery and sorry if that makes you feel some kind of way.

Its pure undeniable FACTS.

It’s why I make the claim, you can’t describe racism when you haven’t lived it. It’s nithing to be ashamed of it’s something you all should learn from. Take the opportunity listen to those who are effected by it and stand for change instead of trying to deny or make it seem like everyone does it.

I have never came across a white person in my entire life who would trade places with a Black person.
 
As the abused expert will you be defining it for the board any time soon??

I have defined it many times you all don’t listen. Because you’re white you know better than I do.

Racism is INSTITUTIONAL and POWER ......who has always had the power in the country?
 
I hate racist like you

you deserve all the hate in the world



you cant see racism


racists are like that


its part of why the world hates you

What have I said that is racist? It's funny how most people who claim "racism!!" can't seem to answer that question, nor can they support why it indeed IS racism...
 
What have I said that is racist? It's funny how most people who claim "racism!!" can't seem to answer that question, nor can they support why it indeed IS racism...

She never will answer. She simply accuses anyone she disagrees with of being racist or russian blah blah blah. She is simply projecting her own situation on to others.
 
Any current event which notes a person committing the compositional error fallacy involving people as the class and a genetic trait as the property would be a usable example. I'm not going to do your homework for you.

I haven't seen those examples; I've only seen parts of this thread. But my answer to that example would be as I posted above, as formal logic defines racism.

If one wants to know how racism is best defined, then one needs to look at formal logic, as racism is quite literally a logical fallacy.

I'm not going to do your homework for you. I have provided you with the definition of racism.

You are trying to defend racism under the cover of formal logic. Just stop. Everyone knows racism isn't logical but few take as much time and effort to downplay it as you and your alter ego Into the Night .
 
Look stupid... if you can't find Obama quotes smearing the repubs in Congress and repub voters as a group or separately JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE REPUBS, then you have nothing. You should have ignored my comment, you insufferable moron.

Again you brain dead simpleton... it is your straw man. Not my responsibility to find something in response to something I didn't say. Perhaps you shouldn't jump in other peoples conversations if you aren't smart enough to comprehend the words written?
 
Obama didn't call people "deplorables", moron, and we're talking about presidents, not any random Democrats. So all you've got on Obama is "cling to guns and religion." If you want me to believe Obama was insulting every time he talked about "white people" then show examples, because I call bullshit.

You're such a pathetic hack.

Improve your reading comprehension moron. I didn't state Obama did. I stated Democrats did. Then I gave examples of your leaders doing so.

But again, you are too stupid to understand what is written, so perhaps you should stop embarrassing yourself?
 
Improve your reading comprehension moron. I didn't state Obama did. I stated Democrats did. Then I gave examples of your leaders doing so.

But again, you are too stupid to understand what is written, so perhaps you should stop embarrassing yourself?

Lol, you're so stupid and angry. Furthermore you didn't read the post where this all started. All of my comments go back to volsrock's post about trump representing only those who support him. You didn't even comment until a day later and then you tried to derail the topic to all Dems, instead of trump v. Obama. You are a dishonest and pathetic phony.

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Originally Posted by volsrock

So Trump needs to represent the people who sent him to the WH?

christiefan915: He needs to represent ALL the people in the country, not just those who kiss up to him.
 
Improve your reading comprehension moron. I didn't state Obama did. I stated Democrats did. Then I gave examples of your leaders doing so.

But again, you are too stupid to understand what is written, so perhaps you should stop embarrassing yourself?

The topic was trump's comments v. Obama's comments. You derailed this to bring in Dem supporters and still can't show where Obama made the same kind of disparaging comments about his non-supporters that trump makes about his on a daily basis.

Again, for an ignoramus like you: trump's comments as president v. Obama's comments as president.
 
in the past she seemed to think better of white people


lately not so much


maybe she isn't a real person


I thought she was a real person


but I am always very skeptical of poster who get MORE dividing as we near an election



its sad but you cant really trust anyone on the internets to be who and what they say they are

its what you say and if what you say is not helping me fight the real monsters in life I end up being suspect of you ( that goes for any poster here)


I have seen I thought I knew TURN and try to spilt Democratic voters JUST WHEN WE NEED TO UNITE


the republicans have cheated in elections all my life


they will do and say ANYTHING to steal the power from the people


including faking who they are for YEARS to screw this nation

Im very real and could meet you today if I wanted. We live near each other

All I do is speak the truth about racism in America and how it’s destroying the minority communities.
 
Any current event which notes a person committing the compositional error fallacy involving people as the class and a genetic trait as the property would be a usable example. I'm not going to do your homework for you.

I haven't seen those examples; I've only seen parts of this thread. But my answer to that example would be as I posted above, as formal logic defines racism.

If one wants to know how racism is best defined, then one needs to look at formal logic, as racism is quite literally a logical fallacy.

I'm not going to do your homework for you. I have provided you with the definition of racism.

You are trying to defend racism under the cover of formal logic. Just stop.
Not at all. I provided a definition for what racism is and provided the source for that definition. I have also explained how racism is a logical fallacy. Logical fallacies are errors of logic. I do not defend errors of logic. I do not defend racism. Stop replacing my actual argumentation with a severely distorted version of said argumentation. That is also a logical fallacy, ya know...

Everyone knows racism isn't logical
Then what's your issue with my position?

but few take as much time and effort to downplay it as you and your alter ego Into the Night .
Neither I nor Into The Night have downplayed racism. We just don't have an unhealthy obsession with people's skin color like you and many others have.
 
Improve your reading comprehension moron. I didn't state Obama did. I stated Democrats did. Then I gave examples of your leaders doing so.

But again, you are too stupid to understand what is written, so perhaps you should stop embarrassing yourself?

I hope christiefan915 doesn't stop; I find it quite entertaining! ;)
 
I am talking about the nasty comments trump makes as president. Obama made the "guns & religion" comment while a candidate; that's why I asked for any he made after he took office.

Being arrogant, even an asshole does not make one racist. As far as Obama comments, there are plenty. And of course by Democrat standards today he was obviously a racist as he deported illegal aliens, held them in the same conditions that the Trump Admin is and tased them at least 80 times etc, etc. He must have done that because he hates brown people.
 
Not at all. I provided a definition for what racism is and provided the source for that definition. I have also explained how racism is a logical fallacy. Logical fallacies are errors of logic. I do not defend errors of logic. I do not defend racism. Stop replacing my actual argumentation with a severely distorted version of said argumentation. That is also a logical fallacy, ya know...

Then what's your issue with my position?

Neither I nor Into The Night have downplayed racism. We just don't have an unhealthy obsession with people's skin color like you and many others have.

Methinks you protest too much. All you have is constant repetition.

If you won't give an example, not a definition, of what you think is racism, we're done here.
 
Being arrogant, even an asshole does not make one racist. As far as Obama comments, there are plenty. And of course by Democrat standards today he was obviously a racist as he deported illegal aliens, held them in the same conditions that the Trump Admin is and tased them at least 80 times etc, etc. He must have done that because he hates brown people.

I hope this is the last time I have to post this. My main comments on this thread were in response to the exchange below that has to do with trump's rhetoric about Democrats. Not once did I say trump is a racist; I criticized trump for pandering to the far right and ignoring the rest of the country. You are talking about racism and not answering my question about trump detractors. You keep writing that there are may comments Obama made during his presidency that are racist, but haven't cited even one. I can only think that you don't want to discuss trump's contempt for Dems because there is no good answer to justify them.

I said "He (trump) needs to represent ALL the people in the country, not just those who kiss up to him."

You said "Like Obama did? LMAO... President 'I won, so I get what I want' Obama? That one?"

I said "When did Obama ever talk about people he dislikes like trump does? I must have missed all those pressers and tweets."

So again, when did Obama ever treat his detractors with the same contempt and ugliness that trump shows for his detractors?
 
Please site a time in American history where blacks enslaved whites and oppressed them for hundreds of years.

American racism is institutional. This country was built on racism and slavery and sorry if that makes you feel some kind of way.

Its pure undeniable FACTS.

It’s why I make the claim, you can’t describe racism when you haven’t lived it. It’s nithing to be ashamed of it’s something you all should learn from. Take the opportunity listen to those who are effected by it and stand for change instead of trying to deny or make it seem like everyone does it.

I have never came across a white person in my entire life who would trade places with a Black person.

Slavery in the Ottoman Empire

Slavery was a legal and important part of the economy of the Ottoman Empire and Ottoman society until the slavery of Caucasians was banned in the early 19th century, although slaves from other groups were allowed. In Constantinople (present-day Istanbul), the administrative and political center of the Empire, about a fifth of the population consisted of slaves in 1609. Even after several measures to ban slavery in the late 19th century, the practice continued largely unfazed into the early 20th century. As late as 1908, female slaves were still sold in the Ottoman Empire. Sexual slavery was a central part of the Ottoman slave system throughout the history of the institution.

A member of the Ottoman slave class, called a kul in Turkish, could achieve high status. Black castrated slaves, were tasked to guard the imperial harems, while white castrated slaves filled administrative functions. Janissaries were the elite soldiers of the imperial armies collected in childhood as a "blood tax", while galley slaves captured in slave raids or as prisoners of war, manned the imperial vessels. Slaves were actually often at the forefront of Ottoman politics. The majority of officials in the Ottoman government were bought slaves, raised free, and integral to the success of the Ottoman Empire from the 14th century into the 19th.

Many officials themselves owned a large number of slaves, although the Sultan himself owned by far the largest amount. By raising and specially training slaves as officials in palace schools such as Enderun, the Ottomans created administrators with intricate knowledge of government and fanatic loyalty.

Ottomans practiced devşirme, a sort of "blood tax" or "child collection", young Christian boys from Eastern Europe and Anatolia were taken from their homes and families, brought up as Muslims, and enlisted into the most famous branch of the Kapıkulu, the Janissaries, a special soldier class of the Ottoman army that became a decisive faction in the Ottoman invasions of Europe.] Most of the military commanders of the Ottoman forces, imperial administrators, and de facto rulers of the Empire, such as Pargalı Ibrahim Pasha and Sokollu Mehmed Pasha, were recruited in this way.
 
I hope this is the last time I have to post this. My main comments on this thread were in response to the exchange below that has to do with trump's rhetoric about Democrats. Not once did I say trump is a racist; I criticized trump for pandering to the far right and ignoring the rest of the country. You are talking about racism and not answering my question about trump detractors. You keep writing that there are may comments Obama made during his presidency that are racist, but haven't cited even one. I can only think that you don't want to discuss trump's contempt for Dems because there is no good answer to justify them.

I did. And you agree that it was racist. And obviously, again, by Democrats standards today Obama was a racist against brown people. Trump has every right for contempt of Dems after their obvious, unjustified vendetta against him since he won against HRC. No facts, no proof, just a vendetta. Which is continuing even after after they got their asses handed to them again yesterday in another show of wasting taxpayers time and money. Modern day Democrats just plain suck and this is from a person who had a little respect for them over the years. They have become unhinged.
 
Please site a time in American history where blacks enslaved whites and oppressed them for hundreds of years.

American racism is institutional. This country was built on racism and slavery and sorry if that makes you feel some kind of way.

Its pure undeniable FACTS.

It’s why I make the claim, you can’t describe racism when you haven’t lived it. It’s nithing to be ashamed of it’s something you all should learn from. Take the opportunity listen to those who are effected by it and stand for change instead of trying to deny or make it seem like everyone does it.

I have never came across a white person in my entire life who would trade places with a Black person.

I am black TTQ. I know everyone does it
 
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