Why Claims of Russian Meddling Should Be Questioned

Earl said:
Old Althea certainly did not know about the lethal aid provided by President Trump and the "blankets and MRE's" provided by Obama.
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Merkel called the shots.
She did not want offensive weapons sent to Ukraine -she hoped to talk to Putin.

Which is what Obama wanted as well in his first term before Vicky Nuland ( State Dept Eurasian desk)
and John McCain ( the permanent warpig) fucked it all up by going/inciting to Independence Sq. ( Kyiv)
 
Frank Apisa said:
Because when Trump opens his mouth...words come out. Anything he says helps Putin. He is Putin's puppet. The fact that he is Putin's puppet...is the reason Putin wanted him elected.



Putin is not counting on anything but for Trump to be Trump. Putin wants America to be hurt and to be as weak as possible. Supporting Trump is the best way to get what he is aiming for.

I know, I know. You cannot see it. Putin is counting on people like you also.



EVERYTHING Trump does...helps Putin.

EVERYTHING you Trump supporters do in defense of Trump...

...HELPS PUTIN.
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So, since anything Trump does or says helps Putin.

Therefore, Trump can do nothing but help Putin.

Quite the logical chain you have going there, Frank lol
 
Earl said:
CNSNews.com) – The fact that President Trump – unlike his predecessor – sent lethal military aid to Ukraine in the face of Russia’s aggression is “the real story that’s been lost in all this,” National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien said Sunday, in reference to Democrats’ drive to impeach the president.

Appearing on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” O’Brien recalled visiting Ukraine as an election monitor in 2014 and being asked by Ukrainians why “the arsenal of democracy” would not provide their country with military aid.

The election came amid Russian military intervention in support of separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine, and months after President Vladimir Putin had annexed the country’s strategic Crimea peninsula.

“I was there as part of a bipartisan election observation mission and I had young Ukrainian soldiers and young Ukrainians come up to me and say, ‘Why won’t the U.S., the arsenal of democracy, send us lethal aid? You’re sending us *blankets* and MREs. Why won’t President Obama send us military aid?’”

(MREs are pre-packaged military meals, or “meals, ready-to-eat.”)
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That's not proof. That's a glaring generalization. Now go find a link that actually shows what Obama sent to Ukraine.

trump sent no lethal aid. He told Ukraine that they cannot use the Javelins. They're stored miles from the front lines.
 
anatta said:
Merkel called the shots.
She did not want offensive weapons sent to Ukraine -she hoped to talk to Putin.

Which is what Obama wanted as well in his first term before Vicky Nuland ( State Dept Eurasian desk)
and John McCain ( the permanent warpig) fucked it all up by going/inciting to Independence Sq. ( Kyiv)
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Obama probably had good intentions with Russian relations—but as the *democrat* Gabbard alluded to, presidents are too often putty in the hands of the war hawks in both parties and the defense contractors. Even Trump has had only limited success with them. And again, as Gabbard alluded to, Trump fell into the trap of trying to prove he’s not buddies with Puttie.

And the same establishment actors are at it again—this time, with Bernie. Virtually all of the Russia phobes are blind to what’s going on right in front of their own two eyeballs. Half the country has been reduced to literal lemmings that are led around by the nose with this crap.

The only interesting question about Putin is whether he’s laughing his ass off or doing a face palm. It may be the latter because I don’t see how it’s helping Russian interests one bit.
 
Althea said:
That's not proof. That's a glaring generalization. Now go find a link that actually shows what Obama sent to Ukraine.

trump sent no lethal aid. He told Ukraine that they cannot use the Javelins. They're stored miles from the front lines.
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I posted the link.

You didn't.

CNSNews.com) – The fact that President Trump – unlike his predecessor – sent lethal military aid to Ukraine in the face of Russia’s aggression is “the real story that’s been lost in all this,” National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien said Sunday, in reference to Democrats’ drive to impeach the president.

Appearing on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” O’Brien recalled visiting Ukraine as an election monitor in 2014 and being asked by Ukrainians why “the arsenal of democracy” would not provide their country with military aid.

The election came amid Russian military intervention in support of separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine, and months after President Vladimir Putin had annexed the country’s strategic Crimea peninsula.

“I was there as part of a bipartisan election observation mission and I had young Ukrainian soldiers and young Ukrainians come up to me and say, ‘Why won’t the U.S., the arsenal of democracy, send us lethal aid? You’re sending us *blankets* and MREs. Why won’t President Obama send us military aid?’”
 
Althea said:
Because there was no lethal aid provided by trump. Duh
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Yes, there was.

CNSNews.com) – The fact that President Trump – unlike his predecessor – sent lethal military aid to Ukraine in the face of Russia’s aggression is “the real story that’s been lost in all this,” National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien said Sunday, in reference to Democrats’ drive to impeach the president.

Appearing on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” O’Brien recalled visiting Ukraine as an election monitor in 2014 and being asked by Ukrainians why “the arsenal of democracy” would not provide their country with military aid.

The election came amid Russian military intervention in support of separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine, and months after President Vladimir Putin had annexed the country’s strategic Crimea peninsula.

“I was there as part of a bipartisan election observation mission and I had young Ukrainian soldiers and young Ukrainians come up to me and say, ‘Why won’t the U.S., the arsenal of democracy, send us lethal aid? You’re sending us *blankets* and MREs. Why won’t President Obama send us military aid?’”
 
anatta said:
Frank this is such a pile of nebulous horseshit without any contextual meaning
ignoring it instead of picking it apart is doing you a favor
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BUT...you did not ignore it. You commented on it. And for that...I thank you.
 
Legion said:
Except that it isn't a "fact" that the president "appears to love Vlad Putin". It's an opinion. What's your opinion based on?
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I've already answered that, but for the slow learners:

I rely on Trump's word on that. One of the few times I do. But his actions indicate that he loves Putin. Certainly trusts him more than he trusts any of America's intelligence agencies.

You Trumpies are so funny...and so lost.

I almost feel sorry for the beatings you are taking here.

:laugh:

Almost!
 
Frank is now thanking anatta for posting this:

"Frank, this is such a pile of nebulous horseshit without any contextual meaning."
 
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