Crowds flock to reopened Jacksonville beaches as Florida hits record coronavirus case

Cinnabar said:
As long as the death and suffering is confined to these cretins it would be more than fine with me. We should build a Trump wall around them.
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It means other places need to be extra vigilant because these Florida dodo's migrate. Michigan is set up that Michiganders don't go north but we can't stop all the Floridians from swarming to their second homes. We always have a load of Florida plates up here come summer. Hopefully, since all our festivals are being canceled for the summer and social distancing rules will likely be in place still, they will stay put and just infect themselves if that's how they must live. Then we just have to worry about the spread if a hurricane slams Florida and they evacuate.
 
Crocodile said:
It means other places need to be extra vigilant because these Florida dodo's migrate. Michigan is set up that Michiganders don't go north but we can't stop all the Floridians from swarming to their second homes. We always have a load of Florida plates up here come summer. Hopefully, since all our festivals are being canceled for the summer and social distancing rules will likely be in place still, they will stay put and just infect themselves if that's how they must live. Then we just have to worry about the spread if a hurricane slams Florida and they evacuate.
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Just stay in your mum's basement and don't come out!!
 
Arks&sparka said:
Yeah I'm pretty new here and I'm getting to know everybody. Thanks for the heads up
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Heads up, Havana is the one you should avoid. Global warming denialist, fundie blog posting, serial post groaner, excessive use of the word c$#t, ill-mannered hater rhetoric, not even American.
 
Crocodile said:
Heads up, Havana is the one you should avoid. Global warming denialist, fundie blog posting, serial post groaner, excessive use of the word c$#t, ill-mannered hater rhetoric, not even American.
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You're just a pathetic excuse for a man who's no use or ornament to anyone. I have never denied that I have a low tolerance for fools and exactly what is it I am denying regarding climate. Of course you're unable to tell me as you just spout meaningless bullshit all the time! Care to tell me which of the four Representative Climate Pathways outlined in IPCC AR5 (2013) you think most likely and your reasons why? Of course, you won't, because you don't even understand the question never mind give an informed opinion. Stick to Japanese comics , that's more your level.
 
Arks&sparka said:
But it's not a problem every flu season when they don't stay inside?
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Flu has a vaccine and is rarely if ever deadly to a healthy person. I had it as a kid and breezed right through it. These days I almost never get sick since I've done this washing and distancing stuff most of my adult life. The last time was over a decade ago and that was because of being around people while touring the Grand Canyon. My travel partner caught something and I spent hours in the same vehicle. Despite the washing and care taken, being in the same vehicle at that distance meant the very air around me was infected. If you spend any significant time near someone sick you will get the stuff on you through the air. Being on a beach with tons of people in a wet environment is just asking for trouble. It will create a prime environment for viral spread.
 
Actually, the drop in the amount of water vapor in the cold, dry air makes it easier for viruses to become airborne.
Heat and humidity is not a friendly environment for viruses.
 
Crocodile said:
Flu has a vaccine and is rarely if ever deadly to a healthy person. I had it as a kid and breezed right through it. These days I almost never get sick since I've done this washing and distancing stuff most of my adult life. The last time was over a decade ago and that was because of being around people while touring the Grand Canyon. My travel partner caught something and I spent hours in the same vehicle. Despite the washing and care taken, being in the same vehicle at that distance meant the very air around me was infected. If you spend any significant time near someone sick you will get the stuff on you through the air. Being on a beach with tons of people in a wet environment is just asking for trouble. It will create a prime environment for viral spread.
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Once police gave the all-clear, all the people who had been lined up in the streets waiting to get to the beach when they opened today at 5 p.m., they just flooded the area,” said Kaye.

“They were biking, they were running, they were swimming, surfing, they were fishing some of them, a lot of people brought their dogs,” she continued. “It was as if they had been cooped up for so long, for years. That’s how they were behaving when really it had only been about a month because they first closed this beach on March 20.”

Kaye said there “wasn’t a whole lot of” social distancing going on, with some groups set up on the sand with beach coolers and other people sunbathing.

A surfer interviewed by CNN said they would not be surprised if the easing of restrictions did not last very long, given the number of people who’d arrived.

Another beachgoer noted there were “so many people standing around, everyone’s so close together.”

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...sh-to-florida-beach-after-reopening/24026256/
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"THE WALKING DUMB" about sums it up.
 
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Crocodile said:
Flu has a vaccine and is rarely if ever deadly to a healthy person.
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between 30000 and 70000 people in the US die every year because of flu.

And as far as we know coronavirus is even more rarely deadly to a healthy person. We don't even know how many people have had this virus.
I had it as a kid and breezed right through it. These days I almost never get sick since I've done this washing and distancing stuff most of my adult life. The last time was over a decade ago and that was because of being around people while touring the Grand Canyon. My travel partner caught something and I spent hours in the same vehicle. Despite the washing and care taken, being in the same vehicle at that distance meant the very air around me was infected. If you spend any significant time near someone sick you will get the stuff on you through the air. Being on a beach with tons of people in a wet environment is just asking for trouble. It will create a prime environment for viral spread.
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Well I've heard that serve might in humidity slow down or halt the spread of it, so I don't know where you came up with this claim that the beach is dangerous. Sounds like something you just fabricated.

And yes I know how people spread colds it happens every year it's called the flu season.
 
Hello Cinnabar,

Cinnabar said:
First of all if I did make the decision to go on a outing with family members, I would still opt to keep it further away than I see these folks doing. Second of all, it's Flori-duh so all bets are off on the precautions these folks are taking because I do not even see them wearing masks.
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Heard THAT!

Ya wouldn't catch ME out there bumpin shoulders with all those people, masks or no.

Too many people. Not enough spacing for my senses.

But that's just me.

I tend to err on the side of caution.

People need some kind of outlet. If they wanna go for it I can't justify imposing my politics or preferences on them.

And we shall see what this does to the Jacksonville Covid numbers.

If it's a huge mistake, we should know in 2-3 weeks.
 
Hello Arks&sparka,

Arks&sparka said:
Fair enough.
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Right on. So glad to hear that is acceptable.

Arks&sparka said:
Fair point. What number per day dying is acceptable?
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And THAT, astute poster, is the question of the season, now isn't it? I'm glad I don't have to answer it. The greater consensus of world leaders is that letting this thing run it's course would result in too much death. I reluctantly agree. This falls into the category of decisions society has to make when there are no good options. I sure wouldn't want to pick a number.

Arks&sparka said:
fair points. So what is the point which we give up our Constitution? It's rather dangerous flirting with concept right now when we have a president that can murder someone in broad daylight and none of his supporters would believe it.
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Never. We can't give up on our Constitution. No matter how much it is attacked, eroded, damaged or weakened, we must always strive to protect and strengthen it. I think we've dropped the ball. We've got to pick it up and start making progress before the whistle is blown. I agree we have a dangerous president. Not the president we would like to have going into any crisis. And our system of checks and balances was just thwarted when we had an opportunity to right a wrong. Wish I had a dime for all the second thoughts being had out there now.

Arks&sparka said:
What are we throwing away to slow the inevitable?
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We've only just begun to pay. This is when we have to get our priorities straight. We can't have it all. We have to decide what is the most important. Things we have taken for granted can no longer be assured. You asked what number of deaths is acceptable. Have you wondered how much dying there would be if we took that reasoning about flu comparisons to heart? What if we refused to shut things down? What if we let people continue to go to sports games, concerts and restaurants? I have heard that it could have been millions. I think those estimates are real. Could have been 5 or 6 million Americans.

We'll get some indicators to that question when this rolls through the refugee camps. They simply cannot 'shelter at home.' That's gonna be tragic.

Sounds to me like you've got a good rational mind. I've been expecting a surge of new posters here. I'm glad you found us, Arks&sparka. I've been here 2 years. I was told after I arrived I don't belong here. There are essentially no rules. People are free to blurt any callous remark they want. Why would a civil person want to wade into this mudpit? I'm here because I cherish anonymity and I don't like to be marketed to. I just like to talk about politics. That's why I am Poli - Talker. I'm not into insult contests, so I came up with my PIP to identify and filter out the trash talkers.

I've carved out my own niche here to become an accepted figure. I'm curious what brought you here, and the meaning of your handle. Is it a reference to Christianity? If so, you should know you're talking to an atheist. I hope that's OK. I do my best to respect the religious choices of others without compromising my own faith, which is basically just a faith in humanity to generally do more good than bad, to transcend over time. Is your foray into this place temporary? When things open back up again, will you be gone back to a fuller productive life?

I think this pandemic is bound to change our world, and a lot of individual habits and thinking, in ways we do not understand yet.
 
Cinnabar said:
First of all if I did make the decision to go on a outing with family members, I would still opt to keep it further away than I see these folks doing. Second of all, it's Flori-duh so all bets are off on the precautions these folks are taking because I do not even see them wearing masks.
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Because many of these idiots are doing it to show support for trump, not because they're looking for a tan. As such, they purposely ignore proper protocol in order to create a photo op.

We'll see if we have their pictures from the morgue in a month or so.
 
Crocodile said:
It means other places need to be extra vigilant because these Florida dodo's migrate. Michigan is set up that Michiganders don't go north but we can't stop all the Floridians from swarming to their second homes. We always have a load of Florida plates up here come summer. Hopefully, since all our festivals are being canceled for the summer and social distancing rules will likely be in place still, they will stay put and just infect themselves if that's how they must live. Then we just have to worry about the spread if a hurricane slams Florida and they evacuate.
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We have a similar situation here, with a community that has this virus running rampant through its community.
 
beaches are inhospitable to virus. no hard surfaces, lots of water and sunshine and salty breezes

You have to cough in someones face, or blow you nose near them.
and still have it drift as a cloud,and not disperse,

So the beach is one of the safest places you can be! -much better then a store
 
Hello Crocodile,

Crocodile said:
Flu has a vaccine and is rarely if ever deadly to a healthy person. I had it as a kid and breezed right through it. These days I almost never get sick since I've done this washing and distancing stuff most of my adult life. The last time was over a decade ago and that was because of being around people while touring the Grand Canyon. My travel partner caught something and I spent hours in the same vehicle. Despite the washing and care taken, being in the same vehicle at that distance meant the very air around me was infected. If you spend any significant time near someone sick you will get the stuff on you through the air. Being on a beach with tons of people in a wet environment is just asking for trouble. It will create a prime environment for viral spread.
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This is where my conservative side comes out. The beach is not a confined space, and there is often a breeze to carry airborne pathogens away. The photos have a sensational aspect to them, taken right at the peak moment of many people all coming out together for the first time in a while. That will ease.

My understanding is limited, but as it has been explained to me, there is this thing called 'viral load.' So, it's not like you get one virus cell and you're done for. Your immune system will take care of a small exposure. It is when you get a much larger exposure that the immune system becomes overwhelmed. That's why some strong young people can die from this, if they get too much of a viral load. Heck, the Chinese doctor who tried to warn everybody and later died was 33 years old. But he got a strong exposure. Much like your car ride with a contagious person.

I am in agreement with the most of the measures being taken, but we have to consider everything. What are the psychological effects of being cooped up for extended periods without some kind of break from that? We've all heard of the spike in domestic violence. It's a tough call. I don't know. I suspect this limited beach accessibility with special rules might actually work out OK. It's a scary experiment but time will tell. Glad it wasn't my call to make.
 
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