Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal?

My circle of old friends are mostly dentists and physicians from Louisiana. I can't think of one that doesn't vote Republican. I doubt it's that skewed so heavily Republican in other regions.

Totally random but just dawned on me my father-in-law is/was an engineer and worked over 30 years at Lockheed Martin in the Dallas area. (Is it weird I don't know his politics?) For sh*ts and giggles I'll ask him if he knew the political leanings of his fellow engineers.
 
And being from NYC they no doubt overwhelmingly vote dem.

Staten Island which is heavily Italian American voted for Trump.

But, then again, according to the socioeconomics review, Italian Americans were less likely to have Bachelors degrees or higher than most other Whites.

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/plannin...level/nyc-population/acs/acs_socio_05_nyc.pdf

While the average Whites in NYC with bachelors degrees or higher in 2005 was approx 47% for Whites, it was 32% for Italians.
 
To be honest it has more to do with upbringing, imo. Not only parental influence but location. My Niece has over 20 research awards, a lab named after her at LSU Vet School, a PhD from Cornell , a DVM, just got tenured as a professor at LSU, and she's only 34 years old.
I can't believe all the military and gun stuff she posts on Facebook until I see what her parents post there.

I agree that values and upbringing probably have more to do with it.

On the flip side, I do think certain professions attract people with certain values. I doubt there are many wildlife bioiogists who are devout Trump fans. Likewise, I doubt a lot of petroleum engineers are card-carrying members of Greenpeace
 
Totally random but just dawned on me my father-in-law is/was an engineer and worked over 30 years at Lockheed Martin in the Dallas area. (Is it weird I don't know his politics?) For sh*ts and giggles I'll ask him if he knew the political leanings of his fellow engineers.

I can save you the trouble. In Dallas an engineer is republican.
 
Faulty premise. I'm very conservative and I'm without a question one of the most highly educated members of this board. BS biology , BSN, MSN, Medical Degree, 4 years residency, 1 year Fellowship Pain Management.

There are other Doctors on this board I don't think any of them are Liberals.

You vote republican because hate outweighs education.
 
Anecdotal, either way, is irrelevant. If you wish to attack the data, and therefore the conclusions, do it with data within the data, or bring exogenous data. Break out "stem" degrees
over the last 30 or so years and refute the trend as to some subsection.

The theory of the 1979 book was a liberal intelligentsia formed as industrial society became more complex, thereby separating the monied class (think Monte Burns) from the ability to manage their owns businesses, thus creating a class, neither owners nor workers, of TECHNOCRATS who had the leverage of some degree of autonomy. They sent their kids to colleges and obtained advanced degrees not just 4 yr.

See the culture of critical discourse as opposed to the authoritarian and traditional power frame of reference of these intellectuals who demanded more money.

THAT is the thesis. Saying STEM are conservative flies in the face of that thesis. They were not Russian Lit grad students who wrested control
from the monied elite, they WERE the new class of STEM type technocrats who were needed to run complicate businesses owned by ignorant money men.


Try harder. :cool:

PS I note without the slightest sense of irony that conservatives here are wholly incapable of comprehending the authors theory much less engage in our culture of critical discourse
in this thread.

Because hate is at the top of their list. It drives their entire existence.
 
Neo liberals are conservative. They believe in market freedoms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

Conservatives are rare in STEM, and social conservatives are almost unheard of. I cannot imagine someone believing in creationism, and also working in a biology field. It would be as strange as a ship navigator believing the world is flat.

I could picture a social conservative still existing in the professional degrees, like a lawyer.

He's a coward trying to hide from his beliefs. He's a racist right winger just like the rest.
 
I stand corrected. I associated neoliberism with modern liberalism. Sounds like neoliberals are basically classical liberals (myself).

So you think attaching the word "liberal" to your self made identifier makes you not a racist right wing fuck?

it doesn't.
 
Neo liberals are conservative. They believe in market freedoms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

Conservatives are rare in STEM, and social conservatives are almost unheard of. I cannot imagine someone believing in creationism, and also working in a biology field. It would be as strange as a ship navigator believing the world is flat.

I could picture a social conservative still existing in the professional degrees, like a lawyer.

James Watson is one of the most important STEM people, having discovered DNA structure, and he got in hot water, for promoting Racial inequality.

Largely, because of Richard Lynn's works, who Lynn was the first to find the Flynn effect.

Of course, the Scientific community snubbed Lynn & Watson.

Same, with William Shockley the inventor of the Transistor, and one of the founders of Silicon valley, who believed in inherent Racial differences.

Even Dawkins the famous evolutionary Biologist isn't as Liberal on race, as you'd believe, he has said Humans could be classified as separate Sub-Species, and there are Racial differences.

Steven Pinker too, a famous Psychologist, has argued for inherent Jewish superiority, he doesn't sound very Liberal to me, either.
 
Yes, cunt breath its the little guy who is suffering, the big corporations will come out fine.

This administration is bailing out companies with union workers, honeybee. WTF are you talking about?

Racist white american men who are running the country want to make sure low income = Black and Mexicans do not get any money from the government they didn't work for.......hence why they wan to "open the economy"..........they are denying people unemployment in Fl........another tactic to not pay for their slave labor.
 
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IN 1979, in a short book called “The Future of Intellectuals and the Rise of the New Class,” the sociologist Alvin Gouldner took up a question then being vigorously debated by social analysts: Did the student movements of the 1960s signal that the highly educated were on their way to becoming a major political force in American society?

Dr. Gouldner’s answer was yes. As a man of the left, he had mixed feelings about this development, since he thought the intelligentsia might be tempted to put its own interests ahead of the marginalized groups for whom it often claimed to speak.

Today, with an ideological gap widening along educational lines in the United States, Dr. Gouldner’s arguments are worth revisiting. Now that so many people go to college, Americans with bachelor’s degrees no longer constitute an educational elite. But the most highly educated Americans — those who have attended graduate or professional school — are starting to come together as a political bloc.

Last month, the Pew Research Center released a study showing that nearly a third of those who went to graduate or professional school have “down the line” liberal views on social, economic and environmental matters, whereas this is true for just one in 10 Americans generally. An additional quarter of postgrads have mostly liberal views. These numbers reflect drastic change: While professionals have been in the Democratic column for a while, in 1994 only 7 percent of postgrads held consistently liberal political opinions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/opinion/why-are-the-highly-educated-so-liberal.html

Dr. Gouldner’s “new class” wasn’t exactly the contemporary intelligentsia, with its Washington policy analysts, New York editors and Bay Area biotech researchers. But it was close. Dr. Gouldner observed changes in the American occupational structure that he thought were altering the balance of power among social classes. As he saw it, beginning in the early 20th century, increasing complexity in science, technology, economic affairs and government meant that the “old” moneyed class no longer had the expertise to directly manage the work process or steer the ship of state.

Members of the old class turned to scientists, engineers, managers, human relations specialists, economists and other professionals for help. As these experts multiplied, they realized the extent of their collective power. They demanded fitting levels of pay and status and insisted on professional autonomy. A “new class” was born, neither owner nor worker.

A distinguishing feature of this new class, according to Dr. Gouldner, was the way it spoke and argued. Steeped in science and expert knowledge, it embraced a “culture of critical discourse.” Evidence and logic were valued; appeals to traditional sources of authority were not. Members of the new class raised their children in such a culture. And it was these children, allergic to authoritarian values, who as young adults were at the center of the student revolts, finding common ground with disaffected “humanistic” intellectuals bent on changing the world.

Dr. Gouldner assumed that as the student radicals aged and entered the work force, they would retain their leftist sympathies. But he conceded that they might also work to shore up their privileges. He characterized the new class as the great hope of the left in a period when the American labor movement was in decline, yet also as flawed.

The Pew study doesn’t necessarily vindicate Dr. Gouldner’s entire theory. But it does indicate that the most highly educated professionals are coming to form, if not a new class, at least a reliably liberal political grouping.
While there’s ample evidence of the professional class using its economic and educational capital to preserve its advantages — think of the clustering of professionals into exclusive neighborhoods, or the early immersion of professional-class children into a world of literacy, art and science — its move left is evident even on questions of economic redistribution. My own analysis of data from the General Social Survey shows that in recent decades, as class inequality has increased, Americans who hold advanced degrees have grown more supportive of government efforts to reduce income differences, whether through changes to taxes or strengthening the welfare system.

On this issue, the views of the highly educated are now similar to those of groups with much lower levels of education, who have a real material stake in reducing inequalities. Even higher-income advanced degree holders have become more redistributionist, if less so than others.

What explains the consolidation of the highly educated into a liberal bloc? The growing number of women with advanced degrees is part of it, as well-educated women tend to be especially left-leaning. Equally important is the Republican Party’s move to the right since the 1980s — at odds with the social liberalism that has long characterized the well educated — alongside the perception that conservatives are anti-intellectual, hostile to science and at war with the university.

This phenomenon is mostly a boon for the Democratic Party. While only 10 percent of American adults hold advanced degrees, that number is expected to rise. The group is active politically and influential.

But Dr. Gouldner’s new-class theory should alert Democrats to a lurking danger. It is probably right that something like a culture of critical discourse can be found in the workplaces and households and in the publications read by Americans who have attended graduate or professional school. The challenge for the Democrats moving forward will be to develop appeals to voters that resonate not just with this important constituency, but also with other crucial groups in the Democratic coalition. Some of the draw of Donald Trump for white working-class male voters, for example, is that he does not speak in a culture of critical discourse. Indeed, he mocks that culture, tapping into class resentments.

The Democrats may find they need to give up a little of their wonkiness if they want resounding victories. It’s not in their long-term interest to be too much what Pat Buchanan once referred to as “the party of the Ph.D.s.”

Neil Gross, a professor of sociology at Colby College, is the author of “Why Are Professors Liberal and Why Do Conservatives Care?”

the smart people are still against the military industrial complex and pro constitution. liberals are are dumb now, being for authoritarian internationalist fascism.
 
Why would anyone be due money for not working? And from a bankrupt government.

this is the underlying reason why racist white american men want to open the economy......slave mentality.

If you have ever voted republican this is what you support.
 
The blame rests with trump as well as anyone else. But your kind pretend to blame everyone else. Do you know that POS temporarily living in the WH has never in his miserable life accepted blame for anything. Its always someone else's fault.


This goes for the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY. They never take responsibility.
 
There will be a long line of traditional retailers in the same boat

Kohls
JC Penny
Sears
GAP
Macys

These stores were closing before the pandemic......due to capitalism and greed amazon is allowed to monopolize the market and put these stores out of business.
 
I'll try to answer for them although I'm a liberal.
They are almost useless for making a living and you can get the same knowledge going to the library and reading books.
I'm self taught on the piano and in German language. *handjob*


Everyone know there is nothing liberal about you.
 
Everyone know there is nothing liberal about you.

By the real definitions of Liberal, then absolutely, he like most Forum Republicans are Liberals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Yellow is the political colour most commonly associated with liberalism.[11][12][13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. Closely related to economic liberalism, it developed in the early 19th century, building on ideas from the previous century as a response to urbanisation and to the Industrial Revolution in Europe and North America.[1][2][3]

Notable liberal individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke,[4] Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Robert Malthus and David Ricardo. It drew on classical economics, especially the economic ideas as espoused by Adam Smith in Book One of The Wealth of Nations and on a belief in natural law,[5] progress[6] and utilitarianism.[7]

As a term, classical liberalism has often been applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from social liberalism.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism[1] is the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism and free market capitalism.[2]:7[3] It is generally associated with policies of economic liberalization including privatization, deregulation, globalization, free trade, austerity, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society;[4][12] however, the defining features of neoliberalism in both thought and practice have been the subject of substantial scholarly debate.[13][14] Neoliberalism constituted a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which had lasted from 1945 to 1980.[15][16]
 
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