Biden calls for more 'economic intercourse' around the world

dukkha said:
ROFL..show me some foreign policy successes from the Obama adm! There are none. Libya, arming Syrian rebels, rolling over for China and Russian sanctions were all disasters. .Biden isn't a player -he has no clue of economic nationalism as well

actually I don't defend Trump's gaffes/ But I don't obsess over them either. they are just off the cuff words.
I do defend his POLICIES -which have been outstanding for the most part
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Good points about Trump’s policies vs the daily outrage.

I’ll sit here and wait to hear about Obama’s foreign policy successes lol.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on Franken but he wasn't the Democratic Presidential nominee. If Biden goes done this late in the game, who will take his place? Bernie? Warren? Despite all the RW bullshit about Cuomo, I doubt he'd run.

Also agreed on the RW hypocrisy regarding sexual assault allegations. That said, they are right to point out the hypocrisy on the Left. I've noticed their hypocrisy since the Slick Willie days and it hasn't changed. It was obvious when the Democrats attacked General Joseph W. Ralston and it was obvious over 20 years later when they attacked General John Hyten. General Ralston had an affair while separated from his wife; a long way from the adulterous affairs of Bill Clinton, but Ralston's career was tarnished by the Democrats as a smokescreen to defend the lying, draft-dodging coward and serial adulterer William Jefferson Clinton.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1997-06-08-9706080072-story.html
This is the drawing of a line," said the secretary of Defense, William S. Cohen, in declaring that an adulterous affair years ago should not disqualify Gen. Joseph W. Ralston from being a candidate for chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nom...n-cleared-sexual-misconduct/story?id=64253149
Gen. John Hyten, the nominee to be the next vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was cleared this week of allegations of abusive sexual contact that were made by a female service member in 2017 and 2018, according to a senior military official.

However, it remains unclear if the U.S. Air Force general will be confirmed by the Senate as the nation's number two military officer in time to succeed Gen. Paul Selva, who will retire from the position at the end of July.
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Bill Clinton is a horndog. I voted for him the first time, voted for the (L) candidate the second time.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Them "making a statement" is, indeed, "taking part in an election".

Example; despite all the bullshit thrown out by the Hillary fans about "3 million votes" the fact remains Hillary only received 48.2% of the popular vote, not a mandate of the People. Why? Because of the people you are claiming "aren't taking part in an election".
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Third party voters are inconsequential to politicians. They're viewed as quacks who will never vote for a Dem/Rep.

Sure...a couple of times in history the third party candidates delivered a POTUS who lost the popular vote.
 
Third party voters are quacks who are inconsequential and never vote for Dems or Reps? Wow.

Pretty amazing the number of people who lose their sh*t over “inconsequential” voters. What did Perot get in ‘92? Almost 20%? None of those folks ever vote rep or Dem any other time?

Justin Amash just announced he may run and folks on his twitter feed were losing their sh*t claiming he would give Michigan to Trump. How can inconsequential voters who would never vote Dem or Rep do that?

To each his own how people decide to vote but it is funny to see people who vote straight party ticket every election criticize others for not doing the same as if doing so makes you so enlightened.
 
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cawacko said:
Third party voters are quacks who are inconsequential and never vote for Dems or Reps? Wow.

Pretty amazing the number of people who lose their sh*t over “inconsequential” voters. What did Perot get in ‘92? Almost 20%? None of those folks ever vote rep or Dem any other time?

Justin Amash just announced he may run and folks on his twitter feed were losing their sh*t claiming he would give Michigan to Trump. How can inconsequential voters who would never vote Dem or Rep do that?

To each his own how people decide to vote but it is funny to see people who vote straight party ticket every election criticize others for not doing the same as if doing so makes you so enlightened.
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Third party voters are vain cowards...they are people who want to influence the political process without bearing any of the responsibilities for doing so, who want to be able to posture that they're above the partisan divide when they're really just poisoning it even more.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Just not condemning him enough to make him resign or withdraw his nomination. That's the key difference.
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Why would he resign? He's not there to win, he's there to lose so Trump can get reelected.
One of the biggest misconceptions in politics right now is that the DNC wants to win this election.
 
cawacko said:
Third party voters are quacks who are inconsequential and never vote for Dems or Reps? Wow.

Pretty amazing the number of people who lose their sh*t over “inconsequential” voters. What did Perot get in ‘92? Almost 20%? None of those folks ever vote rep or Dem any other time?

Justin Amash just announced he may run and folks on his twitter feed were losing their sh*t claiming he would give Michigan to Trump. How can inconsequential voters who would never vote Dem or Rep do that?

To each his own how people decide to vote but it is funny to see people who vote straight party ticket every election criticize others for not doing the same as if doing so makes you so enlightened.
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So what you're saying is that merely being a spoiler is laudable and worthy of respect?

I suppose that, in a manner of speaking, you could call that "consequential", but not in any way that makes one a great or memorable figure.

The only reason people voted for and still remember Perot is because he was a kook.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
"Social Democracy" only works with a regulated capitalist economy.

Your "America is evil" routine is tiresome.
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Yes, Social Democracy is a mixed economy. It has a mostly free market and private property as well as wealth redistribution in the form of welfare programs.
I don't want real Socialism, I'm not arguing for it. I'm just saying that America sabotaged Venezuela to make sure that Socialism didn't work.

I didn't say America is evil, that's #strawmanning.
 
Nomad said:
So what you're saying is that merely being a spoiler is laudable and worthy of respect?

I suppose that, in a manner of speaking, you could call that "consequential", but not in any way that makes one a great or memorable figure.

The only reason people voted for and still remember Perot is because he was a kook.
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At the end of the day people can vote how they chose. Whether that’s not voting, voting straight party line ticket, voting a mix ticket or third party. No one gets a trophy for what they choose.

Saying politicians don’t care about third party voters and they are quacks is like saying politicians don’t care about straight party ticket voters either because they know they can count on them no matter what. (Think ‘I could shoot someone on fifth ave’ metaphor). It’s definitely possible politicians laugh at those voters.
 
cawacko said:
At the end of the day people can vote how they chose. Whether that’s not voting, voting straight party line ticket, voting a mix ticket or third party. No one gets a trophy for what they choose.

Saying politicians don’t care about third party voters and they are quacks is like saying politicians don’t care about straight party ticket voters either because they know they can count on them no matter what. (Think ‘I could shoot someone on fifth ave’ metaphor). It’s definitely possible politicians laugh at those voters.
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See, this is what 3P voters are all about; holding our politics hostage so we accommodate their bad faith.

Fuck anyone who votes 3P. You're a bunch of vain cowards.
 
cawacko said:
At the end of the day people can vote how they chose. Whether that’s not voting, voting straight party line ticket, voting a mix ticket or third party. No one gets a trophy for what they choose.

Saying politicians don’t care about third party voters and they are quacks is like saying politicians don’t care about straight party ticket voters either because they know they can count on them no matter what. (Think ‘I could shoot someone on fifth ave’ metaphor). It’s definitely possible politicians laugh at those voters.
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Obviously anyone can vote for whoever they want to but voting 3P is always equal to just throwing your ballot and your vote directly into the trash can.

If it's a statement they're trying to make, then they're just cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.
 
Nomad said:
Obviously anyone can vote for whoever they want to but voting 3P is always equal to just throwing your ballot and your vote directly into the trash can.

If it's a statement they're trying to make, then they're just cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.
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There is nothing clever, smart, cute, or thoughtful about voting 3P. Anyone who does so deserves nothing but scorn for being a vainglorious coward. These people want you to accommodate them because they feel self-important and hold our politics hostage so we can accommodate their selfish bad faith.

Every single 3P voter wants to influence our politics without being responsible for the damage they wrought.

So they excuse themselves by blaming "poor candidates" or "two evils" or "bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe". Forcing them to own their choices turns them into crybabies who don't think they should be held responsible for our current state. But they are. In fact, they're more responsible for it than anyone else. By polarizing bOtH sIdEs, they give legitimacy to illegitimate belief systems, like fascism and Nazism...two things that will never pose a real threat to those cowards until it's too late.

I've started laying the blame for this on them, and I think it's blame well-placed.
 
Nomad said:
Obviously anyone can vote for whoever they want to but voting 3P is always equal to just throwing your ballot and your vote directly into the trash can.

If it's a statement they're trying to make, then they're just cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.
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You’ve railed on Bernie quite a bit. Would you have voted for him?
 
StoneByStone said:
Yes, Social Democracy is a mixed economy. It has a mostly free market and private property as well as wealth redistribution in the form of welfare programs.
I don't want real Socialism, I'm not arguing for it. I'm just saying that America sabotaged Venezuela to make sure that Socialism didn't work.

I didn't say America is evil, that's #strawmanning.
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amazing how you cling to ignorance
Crisis in Venezuela
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela
Political corruption, chronic shortages of food and medicine, closure of companies, unemployment, deterioration of productivity, authoritarianism, human rights violations, gross economic mismanagement and high dependence on oil have also contributed to the worsening crisis.
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How Venezuela Struck It Poor
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/16/how-venezuela-struck-it-poor-oil-energy-chavez/
....Chávez either didn’t know or didn’t care; determined to finance his ongoing socialist revolution and use cheap exports to buy friends abroad, he kept turning the screws on the oil industry. Using legally questionable methods, he started siphoning off billions of dollars in PDVSA revenue to pay for his social programs, including housing, education, clinics, and school lunches. While this strategy may have paid off politically in the short term, it was extremely dangerous: for the more cash the government took out of PDVSA, the less money the oil company had to invest in maintaining production or finding new resources. Since oil fields gradually produce less oil over time as they get tapped out, countries constantly need to dig new wells and rejuvenate shrinking reservoirs with injections of water or gas...
 
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