Hate crime or self defense?

[Legion]

What makes you think he was trying to grab it out of someone's hand, rather than trying to push it away because it was pointed at him?

That freakazoid fired off three shots in seven seconds.

 

[christiefan915]

The police report indicates the two men got into their truck and saw Arbery running.

They attempted to cut him off, but he turned around and began running in the other direction.

They continued to follow Arbery, they shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

When they pulled up next to Arbery, Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun.

According to statements, that’s when Greg McMichael said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the gun.

Then, Travis McMichael fired his weapon.

A video appears to have been taken from a car that was riding behind the McMichaels and traveling along the same road Arbery was running on.

In it, you see a man that's assumed to be Arbery near a white truck parked in the street.

Then, yelling can be heard, as the camera drifts out of focus.

When it comes back onto the scene, a gunshot can be heard, then a second, then the man who has been identified as Arbery can be seen struggling with a man for what appears to be a shotgun, as the camera again drifts.

You hear a third shot as the struggle continues.

The other man can be seen stepping back and Arbery stumbles forward and falls.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/greg-and-travis-mcmichael-ahmaud-arbery-case/85-30f3b687-5a10-4a60-a7d7-007d388466f6

Arbery was not obligated to stop and speak to the two gun-carrying dolts just because they shouted at him. And they had no business trying to confront him because they "thought" he was a neighborhood burglar.

 

[Legion]

Arbery was not obligated to stop and speak to the two gun-carrying dolts just because they shouted at him. And they had no business trying to confront him because they "thought" he was a neighborhood burglar.

Maybe not. I'm sure your posthumous advice is a comfort to someone.

 

[Legion]

Gregory McMichael told police he saw Arbery running down the street and suspected him of burglary. He said he went inside the home and called to his son, Travis.

Gregory McMichael grabbed a .357 caliber handgun and Travis McMichael took the shotgun, according to the police report.

They hopped in a pickup truck and pursued Arbery, the report said.

The first 911 caller told the dispatcher at 1:09 p.m. that Arbery had stepped inside an open home under construction, then stepped back out and started running down the road, according to 911 tapes.

A second 911 caller at 1:14 p.m.: “There’s a black male running down the road,” according to 911 tapes.

The two armed men pursued Arbery for a block in a pickup truck inside the Satilla Shores community, according to a Glynn County police report.

Travis McMichael stepped out of the truck with a shotgun and confronted Arbery, according to the report.

Recently released video supports this account.

A struggle ensued for possession of the gun.

McMichael fired the shotgun three times.

Arbery, 25, stumbled to the street after the third shot and died on the scene.







https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/gbi-now-investigating-shooting-death-of-ahmaud-arbery/article_29b78984-a9ae-552a-90ac-6386052d8440.html

 

[Concart]

False choice. This was a premediated murder.

 

[christiefan915]

There were two 911 calls, which you'd have known already if you'd read the entire thread.

The article says the calls were made at 1:09 and 1:14, yet officers responded earlier than the calls were made. If this is accurate then it looks like the men called 911 after they shot Arbery and decided on a story to explain the shooting.

"First Coast News reports the police report indicates that on Sunday, Feb. 23 around 1 p.m., officers responded to a shots fired call at the intersection of Satilla and Holmes drives. Glynn County Police found Arbery dead at the scene."

That's exactly what is going to happen, which you'd have known already if you'd read the entire thread.

Okay. Give yourself a pat on the back.

If you'd watched the video, you'd have seen that it seems apparent that the deceased attacked Mr. McMichael and attempted to wrest the shotgun out of his hands.

It's not apparent that Arbery "attacked" McMichael. It's possible he was trying to push away a gun that was pointed directly at him. The video isn't clear enough to show one way or the other.

 

[Legion]

Okay. Give yourself a pat on the back.

 

[christiefan915]

At that point Arbery had the right to defend himself from racist white men with guns.

Aubrey feared for his life.

Exactly. He was out for a jog and was confronted by two men with guns and bad intentions.

 

[Legion]

False choice. This was a premediated murder.

Think so?

Prove it.

I'll understand if you can't, of course.

 

[Legion]

He was out for a jog and was confronted by two men with guns and bad intentions.

So you say.

 

[christiefan915]

I don't know what point you're trying to make. There is more than one way of interpreting the video and it's clear the lunkheads were up for a confrontation.

 

[Legion]

I don't know what point you're trying to make. There is more than one way of interpreting the video and it's clear the lunkheads were up for a confrontation.

Maybe a jury will agree with you.

The fact is that the deceased did try to grab the shotgun. Dumb move. Now he's as dead as little Julian Cadman is.

 

[christiefan915]

Maybe a jury will agree with you.

The fact is that the deceased did try to grab the shotgun. Dumb move. Now he's as dead as little Julian Cadman is.

He "did try to grab" the shotgun is supposition. My take is that he tried to knock away a gun being pointed at him.

Yes, unfortunately he's as dead as Julian Cadman and Heather Heyer.

 

[Concart]

Think so?

Prove it.

I'll understand if you can't, of course.

Yes, I think so. The fact that the guy with the cellphone was conspiring with the two guys in the truck, that one will be a slam dunk. Prove it? LOL at you. I'm pretty sure you aren't the boss, little fella.

 

[Irish]

That is what happened. The deceased was identified by the McMichaels as the supect in a burglary which was reportedly caught on a security camera. If that camera was recording, the evidence should be crucial.



Yes, you do, under OCGA 17 -4 -60: "A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge . If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”



They did think he had committed a crime.

There were two 911 calls.

The first 911 caller told the dispatcher at 1:09 p.m. that Arbery had stepped inside an open home under construction, then stepped back out and started running down the road, according to 911 tapes.

A second 911 caller at 1:14 p.m.: “There’s a black male running down the road,” according to 911 tapes.

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/gbi-now-investigating-shooting-death-of-ahmaud-arbery/article_29b78984-a9ae-552a-90ac-6386052d8440.html

Perhaps they did. Acting stupidly within the law does not render anyone liable to arrest.[/QUOTE]

Yes they may make a citizens arrest, not stop and interrogate/question.

It's going to be interesting to see if hearing about a burglary is enough for one to make a citizens arrest. I think that its a stretch.

If I heard a store got robed and I see you walking, and think maybe it was you, do I have the right to approach you with a gun and arrest you? Even though I didn't see if it was actually you and am acting on a vague description or a hunch? I'm going to probably say no that's not enough. That would be a pretty slippery slope.

This is a complex case with many different angles. And we know all the media is going to do is play the race card, and try to create race riots.

I read a Fox News article, (could have been borrowed from the AP, not sure) and they mentioned each three's races SIX times! Why is that even relevant? I thought we weren't supposed to look at someone as a black man, or a white man. Just fellow humans. Guess not.

 

[Legion]

He "did try to grab" the shotgun is supposition. My take is that he tried to knock away a gun being pointed at him.

Maybe a jury will agree with you.

Yes, unfortunately he's as dead as Julian Cadman and Heather Heyer.

We both care about Ahmaud Arbery as much as we both cared about Julian Cadman and hefty Heather Heyer, don't we?

 

[Irish]

Did you expect any?

Of course not.

 

[Legion]

Yes, I think so. The fact that the guy with the cellphone was conspiring with the two guys in the truck, that one will be a slam dunk. Prove it? LOL at you. I'm pretty sure you aren't the boss, little fella.

I didn't think you could prove it, and I understand why you can't, of course.

 

[christiefan915]

Maybe a jury will agree with you.

We both care about Ahmaud Arbery as much as we both cared about Julian Cadman and hefty Heather Heyer, don't we?

Well, I do but then I'm not amoral.

 

[Irish]

Yes, I think so. The fact that the guy with the cellphone was conspiring with the two guys in the truck, that one will be a slam dunk. Prove it? LOL at you. I'm pretty sure you aren't the boss, little fella.

The guy was likely filming because he wanted there to be proof of the simple citizens arrest, not to document a murder. If you were planning on committing a murder, why the hell would you ask a friend to come tape it? THINK!