Hate crime or self defense?

Hate crime or self defense?


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When the thread was started no charges had been filed. Murder wasn't an option at the time.
Fair enough but if you kill somebody with intent and you have no reason to then that would be murder. To say something is murder doesn't require a conviction. You know I could find a person who is shot in the back of the head and have no idea who did it but I can still reasonably say that that person was murdered.

Murder in this context is an act. Not a conviction
 
If he is no longer a police officer then he didn't act appropriately.

He is no longer a police officer, and the DA says he did act appropriately.

I don't know if she's a police officer currently or not I don't know if he's fired or retired.

You do know, because I told you, and you ignored prior posts that prove he isn't.

Here's another post you ignored:

Gregory McMichael, 64, and his son Travis, 34, were taken into custody by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and charged with aggravated assault as well as murder in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery in the town of Brunswick, the agency said in a statement.

The Feb. 23 shooting death of Arbery, 25, as he ran unarmed through the small town was captured on video by an unnamed witness in a vehicle near the scene. The video’s wide broadcast in recent days ignited outrage among activists, politicians and celebrities who saw the incident as the latest case of white perpetrators killing a black man and going unpunished.

It was not immediately clear if the two men had retained attorneys.

A district attorney appointed to handle the high-profile case after two other prosecutors recused themselves said on Wednesday he would ask a county grand jury to decide if the two men should face charges.

The men’s arrest by the GBI, one day after the agency opened an investigation into the case, appears to have sidelined any grand jury probe.

The video footage shows Arbery jogging down a narrow two-lane road and around the McMichaels’ white pickup truck, which had stopped in the right lane with its driver’s door open.

As Arbery crosses back in front of the truck, a gunshot is fired.

Arbery is then seen struggling with a man holding a long gun as a second man stands in the bed of the truck brandishing a revolver.

Two more shots are heard before Arbery stumbles and falls face down onto the asphalt.

The GBI said it was Travis McMichael who fired the fatal round.

According to a police report, Gregory McMichael, a former Glynn County police officer and district attorney’s investigator, told detectives the incident began when he spotted Arbery from his front yard “hauling ass” down the street.

McMichael told police that, because he suspected Arbery in a string of recent neighborhood break-ins, he and his son gave chase in the truck, with Gregory McMichael carrying a .357 Magnum revolver and Travis armed with a shotgun.

Gregory McMichael said Arbery began to “violently attack” his son, fighting him for the shotgun, prompting Travis to open fire.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-shooting-georgia/georgia-father-son-arrested-on-murder-charges-in-shooting-of-unarmed-black-man-idUSKBN22K03P

You do know what "former" means, don't you?
 
Fair enough but if you kill somebody with intent and you have no reason to then that would be murder. To say something is murder doesn't require a conviction. You know I could find a person who is shot in the back of the head and have no idea who did it but I can still reasonably say that that person was murdered. Murder in this context is an act. Not a conviction

False premise.
 
False premise.
I only stated that murder is an act in this context it can be conviction in other context.

So I don't understand why it's a false premise.

And shot and killed him it was murder whether they're convicted of murder or not they still murdered the man.

Are you suggesting it's not murder to kill someone? If not there will be no hate crime. A crime like murder has to be first committed for there to be a hate crime.
 
He is no longer a police officer,
thank you. That's all you had to say.


You do know, because I told you, and you ignored prior posts that prove he isn't.
you told me he wasn't not that he no longer was. That's two different things.
Here's another post you ignored:



You do know what "former" means, don't you?
It could mean he no longer works for that department. If you're a former Maricopa county deputy that doesn't mean you're not a deputy in bexar county.
 
Then I'd suggest you learn.

How can I if you're not going to explain it.

As far as I know I claimed that a murder is an intentional killing of somebody for no reason.

there's nothing there that says obviously that that's a false premise. so the education I need here is to understand when you claim something is a false premise you just don't want to address it or you can't address it.

I'm willing to clear up what I said but I need to know what was wrong with it to make it a false premise.
 
Yup, you just wrote it. Why do you deny the murder was racially motivated?

The person who shot did enter a premises. now of course chasing him down and shooting him to death you seems like an overreaction but whether they did that to him because he was black or not is something I'm questioning.
 
Trying to grab a shotgun out of somebody's hands isn't too bright.

To me it looks like the victim is attempting to stop someone who has been stalking him from shooting him the only way he felt he possibly could have at that moment.
 
In the term hate crime. If something is not a criminal act then it can't be a hate crime because it's not a crime. Legally speaking of course.

So you don't define murder by the legal definition but you want to define "hate crime" by that standard?
 
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