Is this systemic racism?

Bigdog said:
50 years ago, half the Dem party weren't full blown commie socialist. And we didnt' have the internet. Furthermore, despite having led us into Vietnam, the Dems still won the Senate and House, again. :palm:

The riots are being orchestrated by Democrat media and Dem leadership.
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Can you set aside your medical condition for a few minutes and prove that the riots are being orchestrated by Dems?
 
Darth Omar said:
Horse hockey.

Some of these jokers tied themselves into knots trying to blame Trump for a virus that originated in China; and caused the majority of deaths in cities and states run by Democrats.

I’ve seen a few of the usual media lap dogs trying, weakly, to tie Trump to these riots by saying Trump’s Twitter is ‘instigating it’ as if it what Trumps says would make a damn bit of difference—one way or the other, to these thugs burning down streets, destroying—mostly black peoples businesses and likely killing an innocent business owner.

Democrats have been cultivating this stuff by coddling BLM and Antifa. So if the political rooster comes home to roost maybe we won’t say anything but stand here and watch it happen.

How’s that?
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There's a difference between blaming trump for the virus, and blaming trump for his handling of the virus.
 
Darth Omar said:
Horse hockey.

Some of these jokers tied themselves into knots trying to blame Trump for a virus that originated in China; and caused the majority of deaths in cities and states run by Democrats.
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That's the narrative that Trumpcucks were trying to create. The truth is that people were saying Trump failed to protect America from the virus because of some decisions he made. Trump helped the virus to spread in America so quickly, but nobody is blaming him for the virus existing in the first place.

I’ve seen a few of the usual media lap dogs trying, weakly, to tie Trump to these riots by saying Trump’s Twitter is ‘instigating it’ as if it what Trumps says would make a damn bit of difference—one way or the other, to these thugs burning down streets, destroying—mostly black peoples businesses and likely killing an innocent business owner.
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Another instance of #strawmanning.
We all agree that the riots were a result of the murder. What some people are saying is that Trump is fanning the flames by calling for violence. Which is an accurate criticism. Again, Trump didn't cause the riots like he didn't cause the virus, but he's made it worse.
 
Darth Omar said:
Horse hockey.

Some of these jokers tied themselves into knots trying to blame Trump for a virus that originated in China; and caused the majority of deaths in cities and states run by Democrats.

I’ve seen a few of the usual media lap dogs trying, weakly, to tie Trump to these riots by saying Trump’s Twitter is ‘instigating it’ as if it what Trumps says would make a damn bit of difference—one way or the other, to these thugs burning down streets, destroying—mostly black peoples businesses and likely killing an innocent business owner.

Democrats have been cultivating this stuff by coddling BLM and Antifa. So if the political rooster comes home to roost maybe we won’t say anything but stand here and watch it happen.

How’s that?
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Honest question:

We're in a fairly unprecedented time. Pandemic, recession, racial strife & riots.

How you would you assess Trump's leadership during this time? Has he been a calm, steady voice to guide us through?
 
BartenderElite said:
Honest question:

We're in a fairly unprecedented time. Pandemic, recession, racial strife & riots.

How you would you assess Trump's leadership during this time? Has he been a calm, steady voice to guide us through?
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Some would argue the pandemic/recession could be a lot less deep than it is if Trump would have stuck to his guns back in April. Leadership grade C.

See, leadership is more than words.

Leadership is action. Today, Trump acted [finally] to label Antifa a domestic terrorist organization.

He gets a leadership A, so far, on the riot crisis.
 
Darth Omar said:
Some would argue the pandemic/recession could be a lot less deep than it is if Trump would have stuck to his guns back in April. Leadership grade C.

See, leadership is more than words.

Leadership is action. Today, Trump acted [finally] to label Antifa a domestic terrorist organization.

He gets a leadership A, so far, on the riot crisis.
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You need a primer on what leadership is.

He's been largely absent. You should read the editorial Gergen wrote on that...where is he during this? When he pokes his head in, it's with something like the "looting/shooting" tweet, which didn't help anyone.

F for the protests & riots so far. Without doubt.

He's a terrible leader in general, though. Leadership is more of a nuanced thing. He's a bull in a china shop.
 
BartenderElite said:
You need a primer on what leadership is.

He's been largely absent. You should read the editorial Gergen wrote on that...where is he during this? When he pokes his head in, it's with something like the "looting/shooting" tweet, which didn't help anyone.

F for the protests & riots so far. Without doubt.

He's a terrible leader in general, though. Leadership is more of a nuanced thing. He's a bull in a china shop.
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You really think the rioters are going to listen to anyone?

We need action. Someone needed someone to stand up to the Antifa thugs rather make warm and fuzzy appeals to national unity or whatever. They are in the process of destroying lives, businesses and neighborhoods—it’s not a time for words.
 
Darth Omar said:
You really think the rioters are going to listen to anyone?

We need action. Someone needed someone to stand up to the Antifa thugs rather make warm and fuzzy appeals to national unity or whatever. They are in the process of destroying lives, businesses and neighborhoods—it’s not a time for words.
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Action is important, but "Antifa" is such a small part of what's going on. They (or other agitators) are stoking what already exists - Trump isn't addressing what already exists.

And you & I disagree about words, bigtime. This is the time when we need a calm, steady voice at the top - instead, we're getting it from the Atlanta mayor, and other local leaders. Trump is absent in that. You're underplaying how important that is in a time of national crisis.

Even Bush understood that. His speech at ground zero was one of the best Presidential moments I've seen in my lifetime, and so important at that time.
 
BartenderElite said:
Action is important, but "Antifa" is such a small part of what's going on. They (or other agitators) are stoking what already exists - Trump isn't addressing what already exists.

And you & I disagree about words, bigtime. This is the time when we need a calm, steady voice at the top - instead, we're getting it from the Atlanta mayor, and other local leaders. Trump is absent in that. You're underplaying how important that is in a time of national crisis.

Even Bush understood that. His speech at ground zero was one of the best Presidential moments I've seen in my lifetime, and so important at that time.
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What other agitators?

I posted a clip of pasty white ‘agitators’ earlier that were getting ready to burn down a business that has absolutely nothing to do with Floyd or cops. They were even the wrong city. Maybe even the wrong time zone.

What’s that all about?
 
Darth Omar said:
What other agitators?

I posted a clip of pasty white ‘agitators’ earlier that were getting ready to burn down a business that has absolutely nothing to do with Floyd or cops. They were even the wrong city. Maybe even the wrong time zone.

What’s that all about?
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Who knows. That is all an unfortunate & often tragic distraction to me. There are likely many other agendas going on at this point.

The vast majority of those protesting the Floyd situation are peaceful - ticked off, but peaceful. As usual, it's a small minority that has hijacked the perception.

Which is too bad. What the protestors want deserves a reasoned national conversation, but all anyone is talking about now is the riot/looting aspect.
 
BartenderElite said:
Who knows. That is all an unfortunate & often tragic distraction to me. There are likely many other agendas going on at this point.

The vast majority of those protesting the Floyd situation are peaceful - ticked off, but peaceful. As usual, it's a small minority that has hijacked the perception.

Which is too bad. What the protestors want deserves a reasoned national conversation, but all anyone is talking about now is the riot/looting aspect.
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Well bloody hell lol.

The country is in the process of being torn apart by this rioting that has gone way beyond what happened to Floyd. Floyd will get justice but we’ve entered the vigilante zone and that’s a bad place to be.
 
Darth Omar said:
Well bloody hell lol.

The country is in the process of being torn apart by this rioting that has gone way beyond what happened to Floyd. Floyd will get justice but we’ve entered the vigilante zone and that’s a bad place to be.
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Yes. And those that promote it are going to learn how bad it is.
 
Another time the right shows an apocryphal video and tells us it is the same as decades of police brutality to minorities. One is systemic and happens many times a day in varying degrees. The other is an incident. Not systemic and not the same .
 
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