Biden to eliminate oil and gas by 2035

[Into the Night]

Wrong again moron.
The average frack is powerful enough to lift NYC.

Fracking doesn't lift anything.

Do you even know what tracking is, Retard?

Fracking is the drilling through rock by hydraulic means, using water and sand pumped into the well. Water, sand, and bits of rock come back out.

 

[Rune]

Nope. Not only is it disputable, it's just wrong. Hydrocarbons are just as renewable as wind and solar. The earth manufactures them in vast quantities in the lower crust/upper mantle where all the ingredients and conditions are plentiful.


No hydrocarbon shortages are forthcoming as far as anyone can tell.

Even you can't be this stupid.

 

[Legion]

If you want to deny your own conversation that is your business. Done here.

That had nothing to with any "conversation" of mine.

It's logically indefensible to summarily dismiss a source without addressing the substance.

The substance was addressed.

Was it?

 

[Into the Night]

I disagree, for the reason previously stated.



I don't recall indicating that I believe otherwise, so why bring it up?



That's not my position, nor has it been.

You are lying. You are attempting to justify an invalid source by demand. You have lost all context. now. Done here.

 

[Into the Night]

Why bother? I genuinely fear for his health, and I believe that provoking him is likely to cause him physical harm due to his apparent anger issues. I am sad about his decline.

Who's health? Void argument fallacy.

 

[Legion]

These are opinion pieces, not a valid authority. One must first define 'dirtier' or 'toxic' or 'pollutant' here. News sources like Forbes or Mother Jones are not valid authorities in this area.

Do the people whose opinions they publish and/or interview and/or cite have any credible, relevant expertise?

 

[christiefan915]

the Green New Deal is insane.
Trump correctly pointed out our Nat Gas has made the USA the largest reduction of carbon.

Biden wants us back in the Paris Accord -and can do it by XO

Biden's going to be dead and a half by 2035.

 

[Into the Night]

Oil and coal are both subsidized, lying cunt.

No, they aren't. The government grants for oil and coal have nothing to do with drilling or refining. These grants are to find new uses for the stuff.

 

[Legion]

Who's health? Void argument fallacy.

Was I addressing or referencing you? Rune and I are old friends, and he has severe, chronic medical issues that I wanted Annata to consider before provoking him to anger which I fear would be deleterious to his health.

 

[Rune]

NYC burns 140 gigawatts every day. (52 Terrawatts annually)
A 3x5 panel generates approx 250 watts in full sun.
At that rate, to generate 140GW you would need approx 560,000,000 panels (five hundred sixty million)
8,460,000,000 square feet of panel
Approx 300 square miles of panels required to generate enough wattage to power NYC.
And unless you have weeks worth of battery storage (tech doesn't currently exist) a few days of cloudy weather will lead to blackouts and rationing.
( my FB page)

No one is talking about relying solely upon solar you disingenuous putrid lying shitstain.

 

[Legion]

Biden's going to be dead and a half by 2035.

Or sooner, according to the actuarial tables.

But his harebrained schemes could outlive him.

 

[Rune]

No, they aren't. The government grants for oil and coal have nothing to do with drilling or refining. These grants are to find new uses for the stuff.

Liar

 

[Into the Night]

Biden has as much chance of eliminating oil and gas as Trump has of making Mexico pay for the wall, paying down the debt, repeal and replace Obamacare, rebuilding infrastructure, prosecuting Hillary, or deporting all illegal immigrants.

Mexico is already paying for the wall. Trump has already repealed some of the teeth of Obamacare. It is rebuilding infrastructure and already has completed several of these projects as well. I wouldn't rule out prosecuting Hillary.
But you are right in that Biden cannot eliminate oil and natural gas.

 

[Legion]

You are lying. You are attempting to justify an invalid source by demand. You have lost all context. now. Done here.

Run away.

 

[christiefan915]

Or sooner, according to the actuarial tables.

But his harebrained schemes could outlive him.

Sure thing, Mr. Q.

 

[Rune]

There is no such thing as 'peak oil'. This is another meaningless buzzword.

Oil is a renewable resource. See the Fischer-Tropsche process. The conditions for this chemical reaction exist naturally underground. All you need is carbon dioxide (or carbon monoxide), hydrogen, heat, and pressure, and the presence of iron to act as a catalyst. Everything needed for the reaction to run naturally is already underground.

Wells pumped dry can be capped, and they fill with oil again. It isn't coming from 'nearby fields'. Entire fields can be capped and recycled in this way.

Oil can be found literally anywhere you want to drill for it, if you want to go deep enough. It comes closest to the surface near the edges of tectonic plates, typically, especially where spreading action is taking place. Such places as the Mideast, the North Sea, the Alaskan fields, off the coast of the SOTC (formerly California), the Caribbean and the gulf coast of the United States, etc. There are exceptions, of course, such as the oil fields in the central U.S.

Oil right now is CHEAP. We are practically awash in oil.


To make an issue in an effort to control energy markets is supporting fascism. Are you sure you want to do this?

Shut the fuck up Idiot

 

[Into the Night]

Getting rid of oil is not about peak. As you pointed out, oil prices go up and down. That is a bad thing

Why is market variance in prices a bad thing? You don't like it when something goes on sale?

Fossil fuels are bad for all life. They are bad for the planet. The sooner we get rid of them, the better off we will be.

No one burns fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

We will not get rid of them by 2035, but trying will help us all.

We don't need to get rid of fossil fuels. No one burns fossils for fuel anyway.

The actors in controlling oil prices are not nice people.

No one controls oil prices. They are market prices. They are set by supply and demand. Right now, oil is CHEAP.

They are middle east potentates and greedy oilmen.

Bigotry.

They care about profits and working clean costs profits.

Clean doesn't cost profits. Dirty costs profits.

They fight it like it is death.

Not at all. I sell instrumentation that allow cleaner extracting, refining, and the burning of oil and oil products. I make good money at it.

Now they have convinced rightys that regulation is bad.

You need to learn what 'regulation' and 'to make regular' means. It does not mean fascism. You don't get to control the energy markets. You are not the king.

 

[Legion]

Sure thing, Mr. Q.

Actuarial tables don't indicate that a white male of his years and with his known medical history has long to go.

I completely understand why Y O U don't what to look at them, given your own advanced age.

But, do tell me; you don't think his threatened Executive Order would survive his demise?

That's good, if true.

Hopefully he won't ever be in a position to issue such a harebrained EO.

 

[Into the Night]

Was I addressing or referencing you? Rune and I are old friends, and he has severe, chronic medical issues that I wanted Annata to consider before provoking him to anger which I fear would be deleterious to his health.

That's his problem, not yours. If he can't control his anger by being here on JPP, he should not be on JPP for health reasons. This is not a kiddie pool. It's open discussion about many controversial issues.

 

[Rune]

Fracking doesn't lift anything.

Fracking is the drilling through rock by hydraulic means, using water and sand pumped into the well. Water, sand, and bits of rock come back out.

No.
Tracking is short for hydraulic fracturing.
A hole is drilled then oil and sand is pumped into it until the rock fractures.
The sand keeps the fractures open.

Stop talking about what you are ignorant of.