Biden to eliminate oil and gas by 2035

[Into the Night]

No one cares.

Obviously YOU do. You responded to his post!

We're talking about fracking, not moving the goalposts to other things.

He's not moving the goalposts. Fallacy fallacy. He is mocking you. You deserve it.

It was their final, most essential command.” “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears."

Void argument fallacy.

Yeah, chemical water does poison water tables.

Water is a chemical. It doesn't poison water tables.

What convinced me was that last year alone, 42 fracking companies went bankrupt to the tune of $26B:

IEEFA update: Bankruptcies multiply for fracking sector
https://ieefa.org/ieefa-update-bankruptcies-multiply-for-fracking-sector/

Trivia question: How many solar companies went bankrupt in 2019?

Irrelevant. Strawman fallacy.


Denial of chemistry. Denial of engineering. Redirections. Void arguments.

 

[Into the Night]

You actually haven't supported anything you've said here. Instead, you moved the goalposts and flamed out.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

You're a fucking idiot.

The operational design of fracking is literally to artificially create earthquakes.

Like...that's what it is, in plain terms...the deliberate causing of seismic activity in order to dislodge natural gas or other fossil fuels.

THAT IS LITERALLY ITS DESIGN.

Fracking is literally artificial seismic activity.

So yes, fracking causes earthquakes....because that is what fracking does...in plain, simple terms.

So? So is walking around. So is driving a car. So is a tree falling in the forest.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Obama said he'd close GITMO and get us out of Afghanistan, Trump said the 15 cases would soon be zero.


Trump is batting .500 on broken campaign promises.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

Obama batted .230 on broken campaign promises
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/?ruling=true

No doubt Biden will be somewhere between 25-50% on his.

I just scrolled through both of those. As I expected, Politifact fudged it both ways. They made Obama look better and Trump worse. For example, the first on on Trump is Dramatically scale back the EPA They rate this a partially kept when Trump made major rollbacks to the agency in staff, functions, and regulations. Their measure is The EPA is still here. That isn't rolling it back, that's eliminating it. Politifact moved the goal posts to make it worse for Trump.

There is just far too many on there to begin to parse through all of them.

 

[Into the Night]

You're the real fucking joke here because you're spitting out bullshit about a process of which the design is to artificially manufacture seismic activity (earthquakes).

Like, dude, THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT FRACKING IS.

Shooting the water into the earth...TO WHAT END? To dislodge the resources trapped...and you can only free those resources BY INITIATING SEISMIC ACTIVITY.

So?

 

[Into the Night]

Ah, so before, when you said it was safe, that was you exaggerating, wasn't it? It's not safe. You're here admitting yourself it is a problem.

I didn't anticipate you'd move the goalpost that quickly.

It is safe. It's water, sand, and possibly a few things like alcohol, some common salts, and possibly the use of an acid no stronger than inside an orange (it's the same acid).

Fear mongering. Denial of engineering.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

A nice diagram showing a groundwater well. These shallow wells are popular, since they are cheaper to dig.
Deeper wells go into an aquifer, which is recharged in much the same way, but are located beneath the bedrock.

Not shown here, but it is an important factor being ignored by LV246; the sand and soil filter the runoff water. A nearby septic system, so long as it's 100 ft from a well, is perfectly okay. The soil, sand, and bacteria in that soil and sand will make that water quite potable by the time it gets anywhere near the well.

This is why you can discharge sewage into a river, but some distance downstream, it's perfectly potable water again. The turbulence, sand, gravel, natural bacteria in the water, and movement of the water over these purifies the water again. Some sewage treatment plants have what is called 'tertiary treatment'. This is often a sand bed that the water is run over. These plants can discharge potable water when they are through with it. Yes...a sewage plant. You read right.

It's amazing what a bit of sand, soil, and bacteria can do!

That isn't a groundwater well. It is aquifer recharge. You have a well in reverse. You pump treated wastewater back into the aquifer to restore groundwater volume. This is one way to offset pumping out ground water.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not talking CO2, I said Carbon.

Try and follow the thread.

I know you're depressed, but that's no excuse.

Carbon is not a gas. It's also a fuel.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It is safe. It's water, sand, and possibly a few things like alcohol, some common salts, and possibly the use of an acid no stronger than inside an orange (it's the same acid).

Fear mongering. Denial of engineering.

Pretty much. The biggest problem with fracking right now is that the waste water isn't being adequately stored and handled. The industry needs to get a better grasp on that or on reuse of water.

 

[Into the Night]

Like I said...you're light on this subject because you don't know anything about it.

Fracking is literally artificially creating earthquakes. Literally. That's what fracking is. It's artificial seismic activity.

Now, you want us to believe that seismic activity can be controlled, and I'm telling you that it can't.

Yes it can. You can stop walking. You've reduced seismic activity. You can stop your car at an intersection. You've reduced seismic activity.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Carbon is not a gas. It's also a fuel.

True. Carbon in it's usual form is "lampblack." A solid in very fine form and man does it get on everything. But it's definitely not a gas.

 

[Into the Night]

What difference does that make? Carbon has a molar weight of 12, so it's nearly the same weight as methane.

Both are useful fuels, also. I'm not sure what point he is trying to make out of this. He's just bellowing to bellow.

 

[Into the Night]

My argument isn't merely that fracking isn't safe...my argument is that it's outrageously costly along so many terms, it doesn't make the process worth it.

That's why 42 fracking companies went bankrupt last year, totaling $26B in debt and losses.

How many solar companies went bankrupt last year?

Random numbers. Argument from randU fallacy. You are making shit up again.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Both are useful fuels, also. I'm not sure what point he is trying to make out of this. He's just bellowing to bellow.

Carbon as lampblack has thousands of uses in industry. It isn't a "greenhouse gas" either.

 

[Into the Night]

But it's not the same weight, is it? And far more methane gets released during the fracking process. That's why I said it is costly along so many different terms, it doesn't make any sense as an extraction process.
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Methane is not released by the fracking process. It's just water and sand.

Now if the well is looking for methane, or oil, then they often get one with the other when they are done drilling. Methane is a fuel. It's also called natural gas. Oil is also a fuel, refining it produces kerosene, diesel oil, gasoline, natural gas (methane), various solvents, and even asphalt for roads and roofing shingles.

 

[Into the Night]

So that's it - and when fossil fuels run out what are we going to do? Good think you have sensible, Democratic friends looking out for you!

We got ya, buddy!

We don't burn fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

Renewable fuels like oil and natural gas are cheap and available. They produce a lot of power for the amount used.

 

[Into the Night]

My friend, neither you or I know what alternative sources of energy are being worked on in oil company secret labs - <-- Did you see that? You bet you that oil and gas companies are looking for alternatives as well! They see resources harder and more costly to find - they're not as stupid as most science-denying trumpublicans!

We got you, my little friend. I swear if it weren't for progressive thinkers we'd all be choking on our own raw sewage right now!!!

Nope. Oil companies sell oil products. That's their business.

 

[Into the Night]

I know. The SC overturned his unconstitutional executive orders. They checked his illegal attempts.

Specify. Void argument fallacy.

 

[AProudLefty]

Thank God for Into The Night to be back with more fallacies!

 

[Into the Night]

Awww.... there's that cute little, "fuck science" trumpian rage I've grown so very fond of. You are so darn adorable Muahhhhh!

Inversion fallacy. It is YOU that is denying science.