Biden to eliminate oil and gas by 2035

[Sawyerloggingon]

So you admit it's empty campaign rhetoric

 

[BartenderElite]

I am done here, you just can't educate fools. Ī

I mean...that's perfect.

 

[Trump's Brain]

All that did was damage the floor.

Right, 'cause your head is the best place on which to drop you because there's nothing critically important in there?

 

[Nordberg]

There is no commitment to 2035. It is a target. It would be great to hit it.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Moore's law is a fallacy here. You keep bringing it up - you probably did the same thing w/ computers.

No. Wind energy is very young. It will evolve and advance in ways that you and I cannot imagine in our wildest dreams.

Wind and solar are a big part of our energy future. Oil is not.

Wind is limited by the energy in it. That energy is determined by the air pressure, and velocity of the wind. You cannot get more energy out of wind than there is in it. That's basic physics. So, no matter how good a wind turbine you build, that will be the limiting factor in its energy production. You cannot have a generator that makes twice the electrical power that the wind produces in energy. That would require a perpetual motion machine and those violate physical laws of science.

Now, maybe in your unicorn and rainbow filled fantasy world perpetual motion machines exist, they don't in the real world.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I worry when the Joe Bidens of the world become unable to distinguish between people and start thinking of their sisters as their wives. I hope you aren't doing that with your daughter.

12B violation reported. If nothing is done, at least it opens the door for flipping the script on similar statements back at you...all of time.

 

[Into the Night]

Fuel cells do not burn ammonia, stop bullshitting. Ammonia has nine times the energy density of Li-ion batteries, and three times that of compressed hydrogen, creating potential as a carbon-free energy carrier. There is also one very important safety characteristic, ammonia can be detected by the human nose even at one part per million.

https://www.gencellenergy.com/markets-applications/off-grid-power/

If you want to buy a Gencell fuel cell, knock yourself out. It's your choice. A Li-ion battery is not a power source. Ammonia is converted to hydrogen for this fuel cell to function. Be careful though, anhydrous ammonia is dangerous to handle and store in large quantities. You've obviously fallen for their marketing.

Carbon has no problem. Neither does carbon dioxide. Why you perceive that they do is simply because you deny science. Neither material is a pollutant. Neither material can warm the Earth.

 

[Into the Night]

Moore's law is a fallacy here. You keep bringing it up

Correct. Bringing up Moore's law is a strawman fallacy.

- you probably did the same thing w/ computers.

Moore's law applies to computers (actually to the chips in them).

No. Wind energy is very young.

Again, wrong. Remember the windmills in Holland? They're pretty old. Iran has had windmills for 1000 years.

It will evolve and advance in ways that you and I cannot imagine in our wildest dreams.

No. There is only so much energy in wind. You can't change that. The wind doesn't blow constantly. You can't change that.

Wind and solar are a big part of our energy future. Oil is not.

Oil is a renewable fuel. It contains a lot more energy then a large wind or solar farm. A single oil burning power plant can produce more power than an entire State of windmills or solar panels.

You have an unnatural fear of carbon dioxide. Why? It is not a pollutant, and it cannot warm the Earth.

 

[Into the Night]

how is it going to "evolve" materials? design? change the wind? space aliens?
when will it "evolve" - before or after we cripple our fossil fuel industry?

Hope for change of an energy source is not a sound policy - it's pie in the sky

There is no fossil fuel industry. We don't burn fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

You are correct about these people trying to control energy markets. They want fascism.

 

[Into the Night]

The official IBDaCutoff is a 2.6 Surface wave magnitude (MS) over a 4km area. A large truck driving by won't be felt one kilometer away. It's not an earthquake. California regularly has large-area tremors that nobody notices because only sentivie equipment can detect them. They too are not earthquakes.

Okay. Then fracking does not cause earthquakes, according to your cutoff.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I worry when the Joe Bidens of the world become unable to distinguish between people and start thinking of their sisters as their wives. I hope you aren't doing that with your daughter.

If you are banned for a 12B violation, what are the odds INT and gfm will be gone too? 100%? 0%?

 

[Into the Night]

No - it's based on historical models of exponential advancement in other areas of technology.

And no one is suggesting making a full-scale transition without assurances. But a moon shot effort in developing alternatives and investment in R&D would be nice.

Alternatives to what? Oil? What's wrong with using oil?
Natural gas? What's wrong with using natural gas?
Coal? What's wrong with using coal?

You don't get to control energy markets. You are not the king.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no commitment to 2035. It is a target. It would be great to hit it.

Hit it with what? Why is 2035 such a magick year?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Okay. Then fracking does not cause earthquakes, according to your cutoff.

Sock puppet masturbation again?

Sorry, dude(s), you're wrong. https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/oklahoma-...s_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products
The largest earthquake known to be induced by hydraulic fracturing in Oklahoma was a M3.6 earthquakes in 2019. The largest known fracking induced earthquake in the United States was a M4.0 earthquake that occurred in Texas in 2018.

 

[Into the Night]

Wind is limited by the energy in it. That energy is determined by the air pressure, and velocity of the wind. You cannot get more energy out of wind than there is in it. That's basic physics. So, no matter how good a wind turbine you build, that will be the limiting factor in its energy production. You cannot have a generator that makes twice the electrical power that the wind produces in energy. That would require a perpetual motion machine and those violate physical laws of science.

Now, maybe in your unicorn and rainbow filled fantasy world perpetual motion machines exist, they don't in the real world.

He denies science. Physics means nothing to him.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Wind is limited by the energy in it. That energy is determined by the air pressure, and velocity of the wind. You cannot get more energy out of wind than there is in it. That's basic physics. So, no matter how good a wind turbine you build, that will be the limiting factor in its energy production. You cannot have a generator that makes twice the electrical power that the wind produces in energy. That would require a perpetual motion machine and those violate physical laws of science.

Now, maybe in your unicorn and rainbow filled fantasy world perpetual motion machines exist, they don't in the real world.

Sorry, dude, but you are conflating the limits of physics with inefficiencies of human designs.

Consider this: Can a sailboat go faster than the wind? Yes, it can. No need for a perpetual motion machine. https://www.kqed.org/science/8503/how-do-these-boats-sail-faster-than-the-wind

As for wind and solar, or other forms of renewable energy like tidal action, those are all just different methods of capturing the energy from our solar system's most powerful fusion engine.

Those that tap into a free multi-billion year energy resource with near-perfect efficiency will have done mankind the greatest service since our ancestors learned how to use fire. The ramifications are mind-boggling with colonization of the entire Solar System attainable as quickly as we went from Kitty Hawk 1903 to Tranquility Base 1969.

Why this subject is political stuns me but reminds me that even the greatest animal species on the planet is still an animal.

 

[IBDaMann]

Right, 'cause your head is the best place on which to drop you because there's nothing critically important in there?

I'm a modern man, i.e. I've gone virtual. You are correct, everything that is important is in the cloud.

I don't let anyone do my thinking for me.

 

[IBDaMann]

12B violation reported. If nothing is done, at least it opens the door for flipping the script on similar statements back at you...all of time.

Try speaking English. I'm sure you intended to say something that meant something to you, such as making a lame attempt to bully/intimidate me. All I know is that you are a danger, possibly even a pedophile threat due to your total inability to distinguish between different people. Blaming others is not going to somehow cure you. You should get some help.

 

[IBDaMann]

If you are banned for a 12B violation, what are the odds INT and gfm will be gone too? 100%? 0%?

That's for you to go on record and post your official prediction.

Well? What is it?

 

[Stretch]

the Green New Deal is insane.
Trump correctly pointed out our Nat Gas has made the USA the largest reduction of carbon.

Biden wants us back in the Paris Accord -and can do it by XO

Ironic that the Biden Family made all their money ahead of time with oil in their China/Russia deals.
Guess Plugs actually appreciates oil a whoooooooole lot deep down.