All bow to the leader - Rush Linbaugh....

[evince]

Listen to it Damo.

he makes a fucking point of saying I hope he fails.

I would rather be wrong and have had Bush be a great success than have the fucking mess we have now.

Limpballs WANTS this country to suffer more so his views can be rpoven right.

Its exactly what we were accused of and we always said NO I DONT>

 

[Onceler]

It's hypocritical, and dishonest. Dishonest because the stimulus represents no major foray into "socialism." Hypocritical - and sorry if you don't like "they do it too," Damo - because so much of the last 5+ years was spent calling Democrats "traitors" for even a perception that they didn't want the war in Iraq to succeed.

Personally, I DID want the war to succeed. I wholly reject the notion that the U.S. should engage in pre-emptive wars, but that doesn't translate into me wanting soldiers to fail & die to prove my "point."

Can you imagine if prominent Democrats came out & said they wanted the war to fail, because success would mean a certain philosophy was the right one?

 

[Damocles]

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh - I Hope Obama Fails

Listen to it Damo.

he makes a fucking point of saying I hope he fails.

I would rather be wrong and have had Bush be a great success than have the fucking mess we have now.

Limpballs WANTS this country to suffer more so his views can be rpoven right.

Its exactly what we were accused of and we always said NO I DONT>

One more time Desh.

It is exactly the same, when taken fully in context, as when you said Iraq would be a failure and others said that meant you hoped the US would fail.

You used the "They do it too!" argument and were called on it. I'm embarrassed for you.

One more time I will tell you what I tell my kids.

Saying "They do it too!" as you did (using the Iraq war example) is a confession, not an excuse.

 

[Jarod]

You didn't read.

One can recognize that something that is bad policy can "work" and still be detrimental over the longer haul and hope that it won't happen.

It could "work" to have a dictator take over in the US, that doesn't mean I hope that it would ever happen, nor would I expect you to hope for that even if you believed it would "work" to get done what you want done.

Well, to me succede means ultimatly work. I dont care what they call a plan, if it succedes it was a good plan, depending I guess on your defination of what it means to succede.

 

[meme]

so what if he said he wants him to fail..(which is not what he said, he said he hopes his policies fail..)

you all don't get to make up the standards of what is right speech, just because Obama is President..no matter how much you twist things around..

 

[Socrtease]

INCORRECT.... Obama said so.... Desh just drank the kool-aid

Give me a break. Every time someone in the republican party says something that pisses off Rush he rails against them on his show and they come back and suck his ass till their drunk on his booty juice. With a party in COMPLETE disarray he is the only person that commands a large following. Shit when they did their little "who's your favorite republican" popularity contest yesterday Mitt was the winner with 20%. If Rush had been a choice, he would have overwhelmingly won.

The whole Rush thing reminds me of Howard W. Campbell Jr. in Vonnegut's "Mother Night" only Rush is JUST a propagandist and not a spy.

The other movie role that this reminds me of is Ron Perlman in "The Last Supper".

Watching the reporter from Progressive TV run around and question Delay and that loser Santorum simply regurgitate Rush was nothing short of pathetic. Will he be the leader of the party in 2012, no. Is he now? Closest thing republicans have. Also proof that for another four years those of you that vote republican because of economic issues are going to be held hostage to the social conservatives because they are the only ones really up in arms about this uppity young president we have right now.

 

[Onceler]

"as when you said Iraq would be a failure and others said that meant you hoped the US would fail"

Damo - do you understand the difference between saying something failed, and saying that you HOPE something fails?

 

[Damocles]

Well, to me succede means ultimatly work. I dont care what they call a plan, if it succedes it was a good plan, depending I guess on your defination of what it means to succede.

I believe that something can appear to succeed, then later be found to be horrible in the long run.

Hoping that such conditions are not produced (hoping that they'll fail more quickly and be replaced with better policy) is IMO taking a longer and more pragmatic view.

 

[Socrtease]

Well isn't that just lovely, a President of the United States telling people who they should and shouldn't listen to...

Obama is a childish bully..

See this is your problem, you have no comprehension of the english language. he said you can't JUST listen to Rush, meaning sometimes you have to look at actually news and economic reports and such and not let rush do all yer book lernin fer ya.

 

[Jarod]

I believe that something can appear to succeed, then later be found to be horrible in the long run.

Hoping that such conditions are not produced (hoping that they'll fail more quickly and be replaced with better policy) is IMO taking a longer and more pragmatic view.

Then Rush should have said, "I hope this does not appear to succede"!

That is not what Rush said, he siad I hope this does not succede.

 

[Damocles]

"as when you said Iraq would be a failure and others said that meant you hoped the US would fail"

Damo - do you understand the difference between saying something failed, and saying that you HOPE something fails?

Yes, I do.

1. They were saying it "Would fail" before it started.
2. People did say they were hoping the "US would fail".
3. I agree that it was wrong to take them out of context.
4. The example was used by Desh herself as an excuse for her action. It was a "They did it to me so I'm doing it to them" or a "They do it too!" style confession.

 

[meme]

See this is your problem, you have no comprehension of the english language. he said you can't JUST listen to Rush, meaning sometimes you have to look at actually news and economic reports and such and not let rush do all yer book lernin fer ya.

SUR tats whut he meent..

 

[Damocles]

Then Rush should have said, "I hope this does not appear to succede"!

That is not what Rush said, he siad I hope this does not succede.

No. I think he was clear. If these are socialist then I hope they fail.

Because again, one can succeed at something you think will be bad in the long run, or even in the short run. Sometimes some things that can be popular with people can also be bad in the long run.

 

[Jarod]

"as when you said Iraq would be a failure and others said that meant you hoped the US would fail"

Damo - do you understand the difference between saying something failed, and saying that you HOPE something fails?

The conservatives on this point were awfull. That does not mean we should do the same thing. It is however fair to point out that they are doing the same thing or worse then they attacked us for.

 

[evince]

I'm really kinda sick to my stomack right now.

There is NO fairness to be gleened out of the right leaning people.

I had to constantly clarify I did NOT want Bush to fail but merely knew the policy was going to produce failure.


I am learning a very sad lesson here, for some Americans there is no fairness. There is only party.

I'm very tired right now , I think I need to stop coming here.

 

[Onceler]

Yes, I do.

1. They were saying it "Would fail" before it started.
2. People did say they were hoping the "US would fail".
3. I agree that it was wrong to take them out of context.
4. The example was used by Desh herself as an excuse for her action. It was a "They did it to me so I'm doing it to them" or a "They do it too!" style confession.

On your 2nd point, if a prominent Democrat came out & said that, or a prominent pundit whose views the Dems clearly endorsed, they would be crucified, and rightfully so.

Thanks for clarifying. I think we're done here.

 

[Socrtease]

If I ran the propaganda wing of the dem party, I would run a commercial that showed the unemployment numbers, and then Rush saying "I hope the President Fails!" Then I would show a graph of the stock market and then Delay saying "I hope the President Fails!", and then the GDP numbers and then Santorum saying "I hope the President Fails!". Then I would show Obama saying something optimistic about doing something to help the american people. And telling people that while the Republicans pray for failure, President Barack Obama still cares and will do whatever possible to help them. Sure it is all propaganda, but play that on major networks for the next 60 days and then bring it back at midterms and the "Save Your Soul" Party might just be outta business for good.

 

[Jarod]

No. I think he was clear. If these are socialist then I hope they fail.

Because again, one can succeed at something you think will be bad in the long run, or even in the short run. Sometimes some things that can be popular with people can also be bad in the long run.

Then he should have said that. Its not what he said. To me succeed means to be ultimatly successfull... not to innitially appear to be successfull but in the long run not be successfull.

 

[Damocles]

I'm really kinda sick to my stomack right now.

There is NO fairness to be gleened out of the right leaning people.

I had to constantly clarify I did NOT want Bush to fail but merely knew the policy was going to produce failure.


I am learning a very sad lesson here, for some Americans there is no fairness. There is only party.

I'm very tired right now , I think I need to stop coming here.

Again,

What you saw wrong done to you would still be wrong if done in the other direction.

They do it too is a CONFESSION not an excuse to do the same thing.

If you felt it was wrong in your direction, then it is equally wrong to do it the other direction.

 

[Jarod]

If I ran the propaganda wing of the dem party, I would run a commercial that showed the unemployment numbers, and then Rush saying "I hope the President Fails!" Then I would show a graph of the stock market and then Delay saying "I hope the President Fails!", and then the GDP numbers and then Santorum saying "I hope the President Fails!". Then I would show Obama saying something optimistic about doing something to help the american people. And telling people that while the Republicans pray for failure, President Barack Obama still cares and will do whatever possible to help them. Sure it is all propaganda, but play that on major networks for the next 60 days and then bring it back at midterms and the "Save Your Soul" Party might just be outta business for good.

You are likely to see that in 2012.