Will Trump be Reelected via Electoral College or via 12th Amendment ?

[IBDaMann]

In other words, you have no clue how this super-secret plan will result in anything other than the 306-232 electoral vote.

Super-secret? Were you never told that the Constitution is published and common knowledge? Anyone can look it up. Where did you get the impression that it was some sort of secret ... even super-secret?

By the way, in what way does it matter "how" the Jan 6th vote result will differ from some paperwork prior to some State legislatures changing their minds? Why are you so focused on intermediate steps?

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[IBDaMann]

We'll see.

We are seeing.

 

[IBDaMann]

Crappy analogy.

... says the moron just because he's too stupid to fully understand it.

The electoral college votes have been certified

Their certificates have been collected. They are not yet "votes." Don't tax your brain.

... and put in a sealed envelope.

Oh, well why didn't you say so in the first place? I had no idea the envelope was SEALED. That's a total game-changer right there. The Constitution makes it perfectly clear that if the envelope is SEALED that the State loses its plenary power right then and there.

I totally stand corrected.

That was taken to the senate archivist who will open them only at the joint congress session Jan. 6th.

So what happens when a State instructs the archivist that it is swapping out certificates with some new/different ones because the State legislature has exercised its plenary power and has changed its mind?

Note: Neither the Senate Archivist nor anyone else in the world gets to say "NO" to any State in such a situation.


It would seem that you have no legitimate argument and are only intent on whining about how you don't like the Constitution as written.

Oh, and the word "certificates" is not spelled "votes." Don't drop out of school next time.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Did you say something?

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Yes. Why couldn't you understand it, INT/IBDa/gfm?

 

[Peace n Safety]

I want Trump to win it so I can gloat my nuts off. That’s probably the only reason. Or actually the Israel policy was dope


Blessin’s

 

[IBDaMann]

Why couldn't you understand it,...

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Cool, INT/IBDa/gfm!

Hitler doesn't approve but I do.

 

[IBDaMann]

I want Trump to win it so I can gloat my nuts off. That’s probably the only reason. Or actually the Israel policy was dope

 

[Peace n Safety]

My pope pious avatar.

Bless you my child

 

[Peace n Safety]

Have to conceal it in case my wife happens to see anything here


Blessin’s

 

[Flash]

Super-secret? Were you never told that the Constitution is published and common knowledge? Anyone can look it up. Where did you get the impression that it was some sort of secret ... even super-secret?

By the way, in what way does it matter "how" the Jan 6th vote result will differ from some paperwork prior to some State legislatures changing their minds? Why are you so focused on intermediate steps?.

The Constitution requires electoral votes be cast on December 14 (as set by Congress). That is their plenary power and states cannot change that date. They already submitted those votes. They did more than file some paperwork, they casts their electoral votes. If states wanted to change their mind they would have to do it before that date.

 

[Flash]

Their certificates have been collected. They are not yet "votes." Don't tax your brain.

The Constitution thinks they are "votes." When you cast a ballot and count them that constitutes an (electoral) vote. If states change their mind it is too late. States have already delegated that power to the voters of the state.

"...they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;..."

The Constitution refers to "ballots" and "votes" and the "number of votes for each." So, yes, the electoral college has voted.

 

[gemini104104]

Trump supporters are all scumbags.

Lower then scum at being sub human and parasitical savages.

 

[Peace n Safety]

Lower then scum at being sub human and parasitical savages.

Delicious

 

[Into the Night]

" States can constitutionally change how electors are chosen, but they’d have to change the rules before Election Day, not after.

No such requirement. State legislatures can change their electors right up until Jan 6th.

That’s according to experts on law,

'Expert' worship. False authority fallacy.

the Constitution

You deny it.

and democracy

The United States is not and never was a democracy.

from a wide ideological range on the cross-partisan National Task Force on Election Crises.

False authority fallacy.

Doing so, they argue, would violate federal law that requires that all states appoint their electors based on what happens on Election Day."

There is no such requirement in the Constitution. The federal government has no authority to dictate how State legislatures choose their electors.

States had to settle any disputes within six days of casting their electoral votes.

No such requirement.

https://healthyelections.org/ [Stanford-MIT Healthy Elections Project]

False authority fallacy.

The Constitution, and ONLY the Constitution is the authoritative reference of the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Crappy analogy. The electoral college votes have been certified and put in a sealed envelope. That was taken to the senate archivist who will open them only at the joint congress session Jan. 6th. The function of congress is counting them. If there is a protest, they will take a short break to discuss the objection and they will return with the vote accepted. The votes have been through the certification process. There is no legitimate argument.

There is no certification 'process'. The State legislatures and ONLY the State legislatures can choose it's electors or choose to certify an election recommending the electors. Seven States have filed Contested. In these seven States, there was no election. The vote of the electoral college takes place on Jan 6th.
You cannot foretell the future.

Fake ballots are not an election. Election fraud is not an election. Recounting fake ballots is not an election.

 

[Into the Night]

We'll see.

We already have. You are greatly confused and seem to be beyond help. I agree with IBD. This is not the first time you have denied the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

In other words, you have no clue how this super-secret plan will result in anything other than the 306-232 electoral vote.

What 306-232 electoral vote???

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

What 306-232 electoral vote???

you are too stupid to argue with. good god. do you really believe ignoring reality is a good way to debate? you are a silly person.

 

[Into the Night]

The Constitution requires electoral votes be cast on December 14 (as set by Congress).

The Constitution has no date. Congress has no authority to take away a State's power over it's electors.

That is their plenary power and states cannot change that date.

Nope. Congress does not have authority to take away a State's power over it's electors.

They already submitted those votes.

No, they haven't. The vote is on Jan 6th. You are still confusing past and future tense.

They did more than file some paperwork,

Nope. They basically files some paperwork. That's about it. At least seven States have filed Contested.

they casts their electoral votes.

States do not case electoral votes. Only the electoral college can vote electoral votes.

If states wanted to change their mind they would have to do it before that date.

They can change their mind all the way up to when the electoral college vote is done on Jan 6th.