Should Trump supporters be removed from society?

Into the Night said:
re: WW2

No, due to dictatorships implementing fascism as the predominant structure and due to the abusive nature of these dictatorships.

WW2

WW2 histories and records, the governmental structure of Hitler (dictatorship) and Mussolini (dictatorship), and the plans of Hitler to invade and conquer Britain.

You seem to have forgotten those that died at the hands of German or Italian military, the torture, the concentration camps, the imprisonment or death put to any race that wasn't 'pure Aryan', etc.
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I'm talking about British Empire atrocities all over the World, especially in India.

In India alone 60- 85 million starved to death by British rule.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
Putting money into the lower classes pockets not only is an anti poverty measure, it helps them be better consumers who spend more back into the economy.
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you give everyone in the country a million dollars in 3 years the vast majority will be back where they were before they received the money,
 
Into the Night said:
Nope. The creation of the Federal Reserve is what started the speculative boom, not who was running it. That was signed into law by Wilson. The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional.

The Treaty of Versailles placed the cost of WW1 entirely on the Germans. There was no way Germany could pay such a debt. The government tried to print it's way out of the problem, resulting in inflation, then hyperinflation. The cash crash was so acute that Marks were literally scrap paper and people went to direct barter, or turned to gold and silver.

The resulting chaos is what brought the population into desperation. That in turn allowed Hitler to come to power.

Yes they did. Hitler considered both nations part of Germany. Kristallnacht (the Night of Broken Glass) is not soon to be forgotten by the Austrians.

Hitler suffered no rivals, not even fascists. Germany invaded Russia too, where communism was the predominant structure of the economy.
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Hungary speaks a Finno Ugric language it's not Germany.

Germany invaded lots of Europe nothing to do with the Treaty of Versailles.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
Putting money into the lower classes pockets not only is an anti poverty measure, it helps them be better consumers who spend more back into the economy.
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No. It's theft. Theft is not economy.

Where is the government getting that money coming from?

Taxing it? That's theft.
Borrowing it? That's theft from the guy that loaned that money to you.
Printing it? That's theft because all money is now reduced in value, since there was no corresponding increase in wealth. It steals from those that save money.

Just where is all this magick money coming from?
 
Into the Night said:
Some 40 thousand people were guillotined and over 300,000 prisoners were taken and tortured in a 10 month period known as the Reign of Terror. About one fourth of the total population of France about (6 million people out of 24 million people) were killed in the war. Many more were wounded, but survived.

I suggest you visit France some day and go see the mass graves and monuments marking that horrible time.
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Source!?

I've read only 17,000 were guillotined & maybe 10,000 died in prison.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
Nazis had Councils manage corporations & a strict huge government labor union which worked with businesses.

These below make Nazi Germany Socialist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Trust

Councils of Trust (German: Vertrauensräte) were established in businesses and companies with more than 20 employees in Nazi Germany following the introduction of the Labour organization law of 20 January 1934. They served as the only representation of employees to the “factory leader” (i.e. entrepreneur) (Betriebsführer) in order to increase mutual trust within the factory community.[1] Councillors were elected by secret ballots, but the list of candidates was prepared by the factory leader and the German Labour Front overseer (Betriebsobmann). The councils did not play an active role in industrial relations, except to serve as a platform for discussing working conditions regulated in the “factory code of rules” (Betriebsordnung).[2]

Council of Trust
Vertrauensräte
DAF Betriebsgemeinschaft.jpg
Council of Trust in German Labour Front organigram
Purpose
Representation of employees to the “factory leader”
Location
Germany
While in 1934 only 2 per cent of businesses and companies were required to establish a council of trust, this affected 46.2 per cent of employees.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front

The German Labour Front (German: Deutsche Arbeitsfront, pronounced [ˌdɔʏtʃə ˈʔaʁbaɪtsfʁɔnt]; DAF) was the labour organisation under the National Socialist German Workers' Party which replaced the various independent trade unions in Germany during Adolf Hitler's rise to power.

German Labour Front
Deutsche Arbeitsfront
Deutsche Arbeitsfront.svg
DAF flag
Abbreviation
DAF
Nickname
Hitler's NSDAP Worker Army
Predecessor
National Socialist Factory Cell Organization
Formation
10 May 1933
Dissolved
May 1945
Legal status
Defunct, Illegal
Membership (1945)
22 million
Leader of the DAF
Robert Ley
Parent organization
NSDAP
Subsidiaries
National Socialist Trade and Industry Organization
Beauty of Labour
Contents
History Edit
Its leader was Robert Ley, who stated that its aim was 'to create a true social and productive community'.[1] Theoretically, the DAF existed to act as a medium through which workers and owners could mutually represent their interests. Wages were set by the 12 DAF trustees. The employees were given security of employment, and dismissal was increasingly made difficult. Social security and leisure programmes were started, canteens, breaks, and regular working times were established. However, while some improvements to working conditions were enacted, wages were slightly reduced despite increased cost of living.[2]

Following the Nazis' Volksgemeinschaft approach towards developing a greater "people's community", the DAF expanded or established new social, educational, sports, health, and entertainment programs for German workers via the Strength through Joy programme, which included factory libraries and gardens, swimming pools, low-priced hot meals, adult education programs, periodic work breaks, physical education, sports facilities, gymnastic training, orchestral music during lunch breaks, free tickets to concerts and opera, and subsidised vacations that saw over 10.3 million Germans signed up by 1938.[3] The DAF financed the building of ocean-going vessels that permitted German workers to pay minimal prices to sail to many foreign destinations. Up to six ocean liners were operating just before the start of World War II. According to the chief of the Associated Press in Berlin, Louis P. Lochner, ticket prices for ocean steamer vessels ranged from twelve to sixteen marks for "a full week on such a steamer".[4] For those who desired vacations closer to home, the DAF constructed spa and summer resort complexes. The most ambitious was the 4.5 km long Prora complex on Rugen island, which was to have 20,000 beds, and would have been the largest beach resort in the world. It was never completed and the massive complex largely remained an empty shell right through until the 21st century.[4][5]

To help finance such ambitious social programmes, the DAF also operated one of the largest financial institutions—the Bank of German Labour—along with additional community programs such as medical screening, occupational training, legal assistance and programs to improve the company's working environment.[6] The DAF was one of the largest Nazi organisations, boasting of over 35,000 full-time employees by 1939.[6] To help Hitler keep his promise to have every German capable of owning an affordable car (Volkswagen—the People’s Car) the DAF subsidised the construction of an automobile factory, which was partially paid from workers' payroll deductions. None of the 340,000 workers who were paying for a car ever received one, since the factory had to be retooled for war production after Nazi Germany invaded Poland.

In the case of workplace abuses, the DAF set up worker councils to regulate and manage business practices, along with working hours and wages, and conflicts arising between employers and workers. In 1934, worker councils dismissed over 50 workers, while in the same year 13 employers were punished through the expropriation of their business.[7]

Employment contracts created under the Weimar Republic were abolished and renewed under new circumstances in the DAF. Employers could demand more of their workers, while at the same time workers were given increased security of work and increasingly enrolled into social security programmes for workers. The organisation, by its own definition, combated capitalism and liberalism, but also revolution against the factory owners and the Nazi regime. The DAF, however, did openly prefer to have large companies nationalised by the German state, instead of privately owned companies.

DAF membership was theoretically voluntary, but any workers in any area of German commerce or industry would have found it hard to get a job without being a member. Membership required a fee within the range of 15 pfennig to three Reichsmark, depending on the category a member fell into in a large scale of 20 membership groups. A substantially large amount of income was raised through fees. In 1934, the total intake was 300,000,000 Reichsmark. In US dollars, the annual income from dues to the Labour Front came to $160,000,000 in 1937 and $200,000,000 by 1939.[8]

Organization Edit
There were two main components of the DAF and these were:

Nationalsozialistische Betriebszellenorganisation (NSBO; National Socialist Factory Organization)
Nationalsozialistische Handels- und Gewerbeorganisation (NSHAGO; National Socialist Trade and Industry Organization)
Several other sub-organisations were set up:

Kraft durch Freude (KdF; Strength through Joy) – Organisation giving the workers cheap/free holidays in addition to subsidised sporting and leisure facilities.
Schönheit der Arbeit (SdA; Beauty of Labour) – Aimed to make workplaces more enticing to workers (e.g., renovations of outdated factories, new canteens for workers, smoking-free rooms, cleaner working spaces etc.).
The Front also organised the Reichsberufswettkampf, a national vocational competition.
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this is fascism.
 
Into the Night said:
No. It's theft. Theft is not economy.

Where is the government getting that money coming from?

Taxing it? That's theft.
Borrowing it? That's theft from the guy that loaned that money to you.
Printing it? That's theft because all money is now reduced in value, since there was no corresponding increase in wealth. It steals from those that save money.

Just where is all this magick money coming from?
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We have lots of evidence that social welfare stimulates the economy.

No one choses Libertarianism because it's so inferior.
 
Into the Night said:
Nope. They supported fascism. Just by oligarchy instead of by dictatorship.

Both capitalism and socialism existed in France during the Revolution and Counterrevolution, and before and after said events. They both still in France. Currently, France is an oligarchy.
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A study came out years back saying the USA is an Oligarchy.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
I'm talking about British Empire atrocities all over the World, especially in India.

In India alone 60- 85 million starved to death by British rule.
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Random number. Britain didn't starve anyone. Poverty was rampant in India due to internal wars and relatively unproductive land. The British built railroads, which did a lot to help relieve famines. Reversal fallacy.
 
Into the Night said:
Random number. Britain didn't starve anyone. Poverty was rampant in India due to internal wars and relatively unproductive land. The British built railroads, which did a lot to help relieve famines. Reversal fallacy.
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There's just as much evidence of British policies in India causing famine as Communist policies did.

There were 24 recorded famines under British Raj India & 0 since British left.
 
Jan Sobieski said:
A study came out years back saying the USA is an Oligarchy.
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Government structure is not the result of a study.

The United States was organized as a federated republic. It has constitutions at multiple levels. Each State is a republic, each having a constitution. The federal layer also had a constitution defining it.

Today, The States of America are independent republics. The federal government no longer recognizes the Constitution of the United States nor any State constitution. It is being converted into an oligarchy by the Democrats so they can implement fascism. I call it the OWDC now. The SOTC and SOTNY are both dictatorships. No constitution is recognized by these governments, not even the constitution of the State of New York or the Constitution of the State of California.

It is now up to the States, and the people, to decide if, when, and how they are going to re-establish a federated republic once again.
 
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