SUPERBOWL another slap in the face for trump and his band of trait

I guess you missed Kim Duk koo.

Sadly, I saw that and I saw Benny Kid Paret, too, both live as they happened.
In between those tragedies, I myself gave up boxing after permanently injuring someone.
It's not a great sport either, but nothing is as bad as quadriplegia.
I saw Darryl Stingley live as it happened as well.
 
Hello Diesel,

I know exactly how you feel. In a class near the end of my senior year in high school, a particularly good teacher asked us to go around the room and mention something that would be achieved in our lifetimes and something that would not. The overwhelming consensus among my friends and classmates was that 1.) there would never be a black president in our lifetimes and 2.) gay people would never be allowed to marry in our lifetimes.

I remember Obama being elected. I had a results watch party at my house with about 20 friends. There wasn't a dry eye in the house. We were hugging each other and calling our families. Then I remember sitting at the bar in a Mexican restaurant when the Obergefell decision was announced. Strangers were high fiving each other. We were buying each other shots. I started crying and texting everyone in my phone.

And now a woman. A black woman. Progress tends to be two steps forward and one step backward. The Trump presidency was disastrous. It will take us a very long time to repair the damage he did, but when I consider all of these achievements -- achievements I was positive in 2001 would never happen while I lived -- I think we're doing ok.

Nicely put.

The truth is America was already great before Trump took office. He didn't improve on that.
 
Sadly, I saw that and I saw Benny Kid Paret, too, both live as they happened.
In between those tragedies, I myself gave up boxing after permanently injuring someone.
It's not a great sport either, but nothing is as bad as quadriplegia.
I saw Darryl Stingley live as it happened as well.
I saw it too, never really got over it, never been a sport fan since.
 
... and furthermore, NFL is trying hard to export its product globally as the NBA notably did in China.
That isn't going to happen if it is in any way associated with racist trash.
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In America, rights are determined by what you can demand. Not by what is just fair, Civil, honest, equitable, or by what Jesus would do. If you cannot demand them, they are not your rights. You good brother are already on the side of history and on the side of the party making those demands. We have the power to mute the racist trash from stopping progress. Haven’t muted them all YET, but we’ve made much progress. Stop for a moment, breath the fresh air that your voice has created, enjoy the game while enjoying some good Ben and Jerry’s ice cream. :)
 
This is probably for another discussion but we all know the obvious racists, the people that drop n*bombs, the people who say other races are inferior etc. But what about the more subtle type racism that people say exists in this country. Why do white folks still engage in that?

I think back to this post on Facebook from a girl I grew up with:

"Just finished White Fragility. It is a MUST READ, especially if you are white and/or you are accepted as white in American society. Seriously, I don’t care what political party you affiliate with. I don’t care how progressive you think you are, I don’t care if you think you aren’t racist. If you are white, you are racist, myself included. We have so much to learn and the first step is being completely open to that learning and being willing (even excited) to dismantle our role in white supremacy. *as a quick side note, it’s almost impossible to get a hard copy of this book as its popularity has soared, but it’s easy to get the ebook or audiobook. If you choose to get the audiobook, I suggest going through Libro.fm as you get to choose an independent bookstore to support rather than lining Jeff Bezos’s pockets with even more money."


If you buy what my friend is saying even "open minded" white people are racist. How does that get addressed?

I have a friend who asked me to read White Fragility last summer. She is white, straight, and cisgender. She has lived in the majority (except for being female) her whole life. I am non-white, non-straight, and cisgender. I can't remember a time when I was ever in the majority (except for during some closed events, like certain small celebrations and parties). I read the book with great interest. I marked about a half dozen passages, including this one:

"If you stand close to a birdcage and press your face against the wires, your perception of the bars will disappear and you will have an almost unobstructed view of the bird. If you turn your head to examine one wire of the cage closely, you will not be able to see the other wires. If your understanding of the cage is based on this myopic view, you may not understand why the bird doesn't just go around the single wire and fly away. You might even assume that the bird liked or chose its place in the cage."

I do not agree that, "If you are white, you are racist." In fact, I find that rather insulting. I quoted the metaphor because I think it can instruct well-intentioned white people. Without having the experience of being a minority, there is only so much intellectual exploration a person can do about racism and discrimination. In that case, privileged white Americans who look too closely to the issues can miss the forest for the trees. There is another implication to that quote, but it's not for this post. I don't think that white Americans are automatically racist, but I do take with a grain of salt anyone's opinion on minority conditions who has never lived as a minority.

To directly answer your last question, I have said for a very long time that I believe that all people everywhere should live somewhere as a minority for at least three years. It is probably most informative to exist as a racial minority, but religious minorities, sexual minorities, and women also deal with issues of discrimination that transform perspective. The US is so insular, so culturally incurious, and so geographically isolated that most white people's perception is never going to include anything other than white people's perception because there is no exposure to anything else. Having black and gay and Muslim friends is all fine and good. Sympathy makes the world a better place. Empathy is better.
 
What you’re watching is the power that your vote and voice created.

Enjoy it.

I'll keep voting this way, brother. The other side is against everything good and decent, including racial justice.
I was in Germany maybe 15 (plus or minus) years ago, and a very important person whose name and station will remain nameless,
asked why there were not (then) many black quarterbacks. He put me on the spot at a dinner table of perhaps
a dozen. Without hesitation I said racism. And it's simply true, now and then. When you are in a situation where
you know you sort of carry your country with you, often you mince words and stay safe. I was proud of myself.
I think he was testing me to see if I would say something racist.

Nope.
 
I feel you brother. I applaud your journey. But think about this. Donald Trump May/was the exact awareness that America needed and deserved. Think of him as an enema. Exactly what America needed to flush out a lot of the foul evil that America ignored. I’ lived through the Civil Rights Era. Progress doesn’t happen this fast nor this stark. For progressives, it’s always ‘Hurry up and wait’ I look around today and I see black women as Attorney Generals everywhere. Trump has one in New York to face and a black man in Illinois, where a black woman is the Lt. Governor. Damn near Reconstruction Part Two.

Hispanics taking their place. Gays taking their place. Women are demanding and getting their place. We aren’t all there yet, but trump and his band of idiots have played their parts in forcing America’s hand to wake the fuck up. They played the only part they could play, as racists, morons, and fools.

Indeed. If I look for a silver lining (and I have to), then I can imagine Trump giving the final chest compression to a dying patient. He pressed his baby hands against the heart of American racism. That dry, dusty gasp that escaped will hopefully be one of the last. The US has many generations to go before we can even hope to imagine a race-neutral society, but Trump did expose our current situation. Is the US better off than it was in the 1950s? Sure. It's a good thing that black teenagers aren't being hung from trees in broad daylight anymore. Is that good enough? Not by a thousand miles.

A lot of white Americans I know who lived through the Civil Rights Era see the progress. A lot of them think we're done. These are the modern racists clinging to their privilege and telling non-whites to stop complaining because it could be (and used to be) worse. As these folks subside in influence and numbers, the next wave is coming. So long as "conservatism" is just a euphemism for resistance to progress, the American conservative movement will continue to die. Building a wall and stopping immigration might delay the inevitable demographic changes already underway, but there is no way to stop them. If those people hope to share in power someday, especially since they denied the rest of us all the power they could for the entire history of the country, then they had better start to wake up and play nice.
 
What a wonderful pregame show! Such diversity and hope and sense of an awful past and an awesome future.

I'm so totally stoked about the NFL. Anyone who disagrees is trash. :good4u:
 
I am a fan of the NFL. But some of you saying that it hasnt taken a hit the last few years " some of it due to the kneeling bullshit" are talking out of your ass. The NFL has taken a hit, a sizable one at that. And it was pre pandemic. But go ahead.... live in a fantasy world all you want. Still doesnt change reality though...;)

Nor do many of us want to change the reality, we like it just as it is, with a disgraced and rejected trump and with the true unpatriotic clan revealed. YOU are the one who wish it weren’t so.

Keep dreaming.
 
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In America, rights are determined by what you can demand. Not by what is just fair, Civil, honest, equitable, or by what Jesus would do. If you cannot demand them, they are not your rights. You good brother are already on the side of history and on the side of the party making those demands. We have the power to mute the racist trash from stopping progress. Haven’t muted them all YET, but we’ve made much progress. Stop for a moment, breath the fresh air that your voice has created, enjoy the game while enjoying some good Ben and Jerry’s ice cream. :)

You're such a Marxist bullshitter, never once will scum like you ever acknowledge that rights come with responsibilities. Stick your Critical Race Theories up your arse!
 
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