San Trancisco gives free tents to homeless. Each tent costs $61,000!!!!

[T. A. Gardner]

Regulations my ass! There are reasons for regulations! We are dealing with human beings here! If you don't regulate things, establish standards, rules, and laws- AMERICA WOULD SOON BE A SHIT HOLE COUNTRY- IF TRUMP HASN'T ALREADY TURNED US INTO ONE NOW!

Regulations cost money. They are not always necessary (I'd hold up as one the requirement for AFI in bedrooms per NEC 210.12).

Arc Fault Outlets for the Home
The Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter are used for specific Home Electrical Circuits as required by the NEC Code

AFCI Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter Requirements for Homes
The Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter is designed to turn off an electrical circuit when an arc is detected that can lead to a fire or other hazardous conditions within the range of the protection that the AFCI is able to detect. AFCI protection is now mentioned in the National Electrical Code and required in several areas of the home, and as adopted by your local building department or agency.

NEC Codes for AFCI in Home Electrical Applications

The following are just two instances of AFCI requirements within the NEC:
210.12(B) Bedroom wiring methods AFCI outlet circuit.
Arc Fault protection required for all outlets, defined by the NEC include all lighting fixtures, smoke detectors, and receptacles.
210.12(B) Dwelling unit family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sun rooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways wiring methods require AFCI.
Where the branch circuit wiring has been modified, replaced, or extended, the branch circuit shall be protected by a listed combination-type AFCI that is located at the origin of the branch circuit, or a listed outlet branch-circuit type AFCI located at the first receptacle outlet of the existing branch circuit.

https://ask-the-electrician.com/afc...al-electrical-code/nec-210-12-afci-arc-fault/

Regulations are not always in the best interests of those they are forced on. So, implying in some blanket manner that regulations are for the good of society is the real idiocy here. Bureaucrats and vested interests often make these rules for their own interests rather than the good of society. Many turn out to be pedantic as well.
Sure, we need regulations, but don't go claiming they are all good and necessary simply because they've been implemented.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

And not many people would ever be able to purchase a home- if they had to pay cash. That is why they created the Mortgage!

Rent an apartment and save money until you have enough to buy a small house with cash.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Single wide? His trailer still has wheels and hubcaps! LOL!

Don't use the word trailer. They are mobile homes and they reside at mobile home estates.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Regulations my ass! There are reasons for regulations! We are dealing with human beings here! If you don't regulate things, establish standards, rules, and laws- AMERICA WOULD SOON BE A SHIT HOLE COUNTRY- IF TRUMP HASN'T ALREADY TURNED US INTO ONE NOW!

Most regulators are bought by the industry they are meant to regulate. Regulations are meant to stifle competition not protect the public. America is so corrupt.

 

[Neoclitorus]

Regulations cost money. They are not always necessary (I'd hold up as one the requirement for AFI in bedrooms per NEC 210.12).

Arc Fault Outlets for the Home
The Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter are used for specific Home Electrical Circuits as required by the NEC Code

AFCI Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter Requirements for Homes
The Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter is designed to turn off an electrical circuit when an arc is detected that can lead to a fire or other hazardous conditions within the range of the protection that the AFCI is able to detect. AFCI protection is now mentioned in the National Electrical Code and required in several areas of the home, and as adopted by your local building department or agency.


https://ask-the-electrician.com/afc...al-electrical-code/nec-210-12-afci-arc-fault/

Regulations are not always in the best interests of those they are forced on. So, implying in some blanket manner that regulations are for the good of society is the real idiocy here. Bureaucrats and vested interests often make these rules for their own interests rather than the good of society. Many turn out to be pedantic as well.
Sure, we need regulations, but don't go claiming they are all good and necessary simply because they've been implemented.

they're not supposed to be good for those they're forced on. it's for safety.

are some extreme and corrupt? are some a barrier to entry for competition, put in place by cartels? yes. and yes.

do some save lives? yes.

the devil is in the details. always.

the arc detector seems fine to me. is it not fine?

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Most regulators are bought by the industry they are meant to regulate. Regulations are meant to stifle competition not protect the public. America is so corrupt.

You must be too young to remember the breakup of AT&T!

That regulation created lots of competition.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Don't use the word trailer. They are mobile homes and they reside at mobile home estates.

Thanks! You know I was just kidding.

I've seen some of the newer models and they are as nice as any NEW CONVENTIONAL HOME!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

they're not supposed to be good for those they're forced on. it's for safety.

I too am an "expert" when it comes to things electrical. AFCI are worthless. They were forced into code by manufacturers like Hubble who wanted to sell more product.

are some extreme and corrupt? are some a barrier to entry for competition, put in place by cartels? yes. and yes.

do some save lives? yes.

I gave you an example of this.

the devil is in the details. always.

the arc detector seems fine to me. is it not fine?

AFCI, Arc Fault Circuit Interrupts are a bunch of BS. They will trip if you unplug or plug in something that has a load on it, creating an arc as you do it. They can even trip when you have something like a portable heater that uses contacts that arc when making or breaking as a normal part of operation. AFCI are total bullshit. I know not just from knowledge, but actual experience in the field. Do you really want to pay me to reset a breaker because your portable electric heater tripped it and pay $30 + for that two minutes of work?

 

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I too am an "expert" when it comes to things electrical. AFCI are worthless. They were forced into code by manufacturers like Hubble who wanted to sell more product.



I gave you an example of this.



AFCI, Arc Fault Circuit Interrupts are a bunch of BS. They will trip if you unplug or plug in something that has a load on it, creating an arc as you do it. They can even trip when you have something like a portable heater that uses contacts that arc when making or breaking as a normal part of operation. AFCI are total bullshit. I know not just from knowledge, but actual experience in the field. Do you really want to pay me to reset a breaker because your portable electric heater tripped it and pay $30 + for that two minutes of work?

In Europe the standard voltage is 220-240V, not 110V like the US, yet they seem to be able to get by without all that crap especially arc protection.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

In Europe the standard voltage is 220-240V, not 110V like the US, yet they seem to be able to get by without all that crap especially arc protection.

European electrical code differs from US. I've had to deal with IEE from Britain in the Middle East. It's less safe on a number of levels and is aimed more at grid stability than personal safety like in the US.

 

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European electrical code differs from US. I've had to deal with IEE from Britain in the Middle East. It's less safe on a number of levels and is aimed more at grid stability than personal safety like in the US.

Yet our plugs and sockets are designed to prevent people from being electrocuted!

As you can see in the video there are a variety of features that ought to make the British plugs safer than American and other plugs, including:

• The powered slots are shuttered until opened by a third safety-pin
• The pins are covered partway down by an insulator so you cannot touch the metal pins when they are connected
• The plug has an independent fuse
• The internal wires are colour-labeled "bLue" for Left and "bRown" for Right
• The earth wire is longer than the powered wires (so if the cable is yanked out the ground should be the last thing to disconnect)
• The distance from pins to edge of plug is large to reduce risk of fingers getting near pins.
• The cable exits at 90 degrees so that pulling the cable is less likely to pull the plug partially out.
• The ground pin is longer so last to unplug.
• It is part of a system that has switches on outlets so that appliances can be turned off at the wall (rather than leaving unplugged plugs lying on the floor).
• The fuse is located so you have to unplug before changing.
• Cables are clamped by a cord-grip

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

You must be too young to remember the breakup of AT&T!

That regulation created lots of competition.

Hey einstein. Breaking up a company is not regulating it. THINK

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yet our plugs and sockets are designed to prevent people from being electrocuted!

As you can see in the video there are a variety of features that ought to make the British plugs safer than American and other plugs, including:

• The powered slots are shuttered until opened by a third safety-pin
• The pins are covered partway down by an insulator so you cannot touch the metal pins when they are connected
• The plug has an independent fuse
• The internal wires are colour-labeled "bLue" for Left and "bRown" for Right
• The earth wire is longer than the powered wires (so if the cable is yanked out the ground should be the last thing to disconnect)
• The distance from pins to edge of plug is large to reduce risk of fingers getting near pins.
• The cable exits at 90 degrees so that pulling the cable is less likely to pull the plug partially out.
• The ground pin is longer so last to unplug.
• It is part of a system that has switches on outlets so that appliances can be turned off at the wall (rather than leaving unplugged plugs lying on the floor).
• The fuse is located so you have to unplug before changing.
• Cables are clamped by a cord-grip

It's midnight here, and I really don't want to go through all that to show you the technical side of things and why much of it is wrong or misconceived. Maybe tomorrow.

 

[Neoclitorus]

I too am an "expert" when it comes to things electrical. AFCI are worthless. They were forced into code by manufacturers like Hubble who wanted to sell more product.



I gave you an example of this.



AFCI, Arc Fault Circuit Interrupts are a bunch of BS. They will trip if you unplug or plug in something that has a load on it, creating an arc as you do it. They can even trip when you have something like a portable heater that uses contacts that arc when making or breaking as a normal part of operation. AFCI are total bullshit. I know not just from knowledge, but actual experience in the field. Do you really want to pay me to reset a breaker because your portable electric heater tripped it and pay $30 + for that two minutes of work?

so all regulation is bad? are you saying that?

that's just as dumb as saying all regulation is good.

so the arc detector shuts off when it shouldn't sometimes. isn't that "better safe than sorry"?

we're sure as shit not going to the "honor system" for safety.

libertarians are retarded.

 

[Neoclitorus]

Hey einstein. Breaking up a company is not regulating it. THINK

but companies probably fear that the most.

I would say it is a form of regulation.

do you think monopolies should be busted?

all of the free market benefits to consumers are lost in monopoly/cartel situations. or was all that benefit for the consumer stuff just bullshit?

 

[Matt Dillon]

It's entirely possible that there is no different (better) approach.

And again.... as long as the people whose taxes are footing the bill aren't going hungry themselves or doing without the necessities of life because of it, unless they have a better solution, they really should not complain too loudly.



Court dockets are crowded and so are jails and prisons.

Judges know that.

I guess they are prioritizing that kind of punishment for violent and truly dangerous individuals.

Hiring more judges, prosecutors and public defenders then building and staffing more jails and prisons is astronomically expensive.

To end these problems would require fundamentally changing human nature.

Or reprogramming humans to not be bad anymore.

Or..start hanging violent murderers, robbers, and rapists quickly after a conviction! (and pedos)

 

[Nomad]

Or..start hanging violent murderers, robbers, and rapists quickly after a conviction! (and pedos)

That would be unconstitutional as it would deprive people of their due process rights.

And then of course, there's that whole, pesky, "got he wrong person" thing that requires a great deal of care and consideration.

It's always amusing when right-wingers, the ones who wave the flag and pound their fists the hardest on the subject of The Constitution, advocate wiping their asses on both of them just for the sake of expedience and saving money.

 

[Matt Dillon]

That would be unconstitutional as it would deprive people of their due process rights.

And then of course, there's that whole, pesky, "got he wrong person" thing that requires a great deal of care and consideration.

It's always amusing when right-wingers, the ones who wave the flag and pound their fists the hardest on the subject of The Constitution, advocate wiping their asses on both of them just for the sake of expedience and saving money.

In what way does hanging convicted violent felons deprive them of due process? LOL!

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I've no problem with it, TDAK, but have you any pics?

I'd like to see a tent that costs sixty grand.

Having a preference for nice hotels, I can claim no expertise when it comes to tents.

 

[Nomad]

In what way does hanging convicted violent felons deprive them of due process? LOL!

If you actually have to ask that question, you're too ignorant to even be having this (or any) discussion with.

Keep in mind, your original statement was to hang them QUICKLY, which would obviously deprive them of the appeals process, which has been deemed to be one of the cornerstones of due process of law.