Is an egg a chicken?

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Since you don't seem to want to clarify your argument or something so I shall try.

Your problem with abortion (if that's what I think it is about) is the potential of beings of any kind to fully develop.

actually, the problem with abortion is that you idiots kill unborn children before they have a chance to develop at all.......
 
Do you see the distinction you just made?

Short answer: No, he doesn't.

The longer answer is that, like the gun-grabbing Left, PmP and the abortion-grabbing Right are more focused on controlling Americans than helping them have more freedom.

Sad, isn't it? The good news is that most Americans know such assholes are fucking morons. Most Americans are just too busy trying to live to whine about it like them.
 
Hello Darth,

Scientifically and taxonomically, they are the same thing—they only differ in stages of development. Find a biologist that disagrees with that.

An infant may never *develop* into an adult by the identical [and dangerous] reasoning.

This is an example of making an argument and then setting the conditions by which a counter-argument might be made.

And that is an example of attempting to exert control over something over which one has no control.

For which the appropriate response might be: "nice try."
 
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Hello Darth,

Margaret Sanger would agree lol!

Totally.

Marvelous post. Thank you greatly. I did not know who Margaret Sanger was, so took the opportunity to bone up a bit by searching Wiki:

"Margaret Higgins Sanger (born Margaret Louise Higgins, September 14, 1879 – September 6, 1966, also known as Margaret Sanger Slee) was an American birth control activist, sex educator, writer, and nurse. Sanger popularized the term "birth control", opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, and established organizations that evolved into the Planned Parenthood Federation of America.[2]

Sanger used her writings and speeches primarily to promote her way of thinking. She was prosecuted for her book Family Limitation under the Comstock Act in 1914. She was afraid of what would happen, so she fled to Britain until she knew it was safe to return to the US.[3] Sanger's efforts contributed to several judicial cases that helped legalize contraception in the United States.[4] Due to her connection with Planned Parenthood, Sanger is a frequent target of criticism by opponents of abortion. However, Sanger drew a sharp distinction between birth control and abortion and was opposed to abortion throughout the bulk of her professional career, declining to participate in them as a nurse.[5] Sanger remains an admired figure in the American reproductive rights movement.[6] She has been criticized for supporting eugenics.[7]

In 1916, Sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, which led to her arrest for distributing information on contraception, after an undercover policewoman bought a copy of her pamphlet on family planning.[8] Her subsequent trial and appeal generated controversy. Sanger felt that in order for women to have a more equal footing in society and to lead healthier lives, they needed to be able to determine when to bear children. She also wanted to prevent so-called back-alley abortions,[9] which were common at the time because abortions were illegal in the United States.[10] She believed that, while abortion may be a viable option in life-threatening situations for the pregnant, it should generally be avoided.[11] She considered contraception the only practical way to avoid them.[12]

In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which later became the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. In New York City, she organized the first birth control clinic to be staffed by all-female doctors, as well as a clinic in Harlem which had an all African-American advisory council,[13] where African-American staff were later added.[14] In 1929, she formed the National Committee on Federal Legislation for Birth Control, which served as the focal point of her lobbying efforts to legalize contraception in the United States. From 1952 to 1959, Sanger served as president of the International Planned Parenthood Federation. She died in 1966 and is widely regarded as a founder of the modern birth control movement.[4] "

She is an American Hero!
 
Hello Darth,

My argument is crystal clear to any competent biologist lol.

You and Poli are struggling to make a chicken a non-chicken—or something. The argument isn’t about abortion but it’s pretty clear it has ethical implications for it.

Incorrect, but you should be credited for consistency.

There is no question that a chicken egg and a grown chicken are of the same biological origin. One grows into the other in some ideal cases, or one produces the other also under ideal conditions.

They are certainly generally the same related life form.

But more specifically, they are different because they are at different stages of life.

To try to claim that an egg and a chicken are the same thing is the same as saying a seed and a plant are the same thing.

Are a caterpillar and a moth the same thing?

How about a tree and a wooden table. Are they the same thing?

In once sense they are, but not in all senses.
 
Hello Darth,



This is an example of making an argument and then setting the conditions by which a counter-argument might be made.

And that is an example of attempting to exert control over something which one has no control.

For which the appropriate response might be: "nice try."

Since science is setting the conditions your problem is with the science.
 
Hello Darth,



Incorrect, but you should be credited for consistency.

There is no question that a chicken egg and a grown chicken are of the same biological origin. One grows into the other in some ideal cases, or one produces the other also under ideal conditions.

They are certainly generally the same related life form.

But more specifically, they are different because they are at different stages of life.

To try to claim that an egg and a chicken are the same thing is the same as saying a seed and a plant are the same thing.

Are a caterpillar and a moth the same thing?

How about a tree and a wooden table. Are they the same thing?

In once sense they are, but not in all senses.

In the biological sense they are the same thing.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Sorry, dude, but the main reason people can't clarify their argument is because they can't.

There are all kinds of disabilities and not being able to back up what one says is one of those disabilities. Some curable, some not. Sad.

Animals often respect the strongest of their group. The "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT" animals. Humans who think like that are against every American ideal.

But they are frequently the same humans who claim that humans are different from all other animals in that they believe humans have a special connection to an all-powerful creator/overseer who chooses not to exercise ultimate control, but rather watch humans struggle for existence, only to secretly admire the 'created' spectacle.

I would question why such a being would even create such a spectacle in the first place, (perhaps out of boredom?) and why such a being did nothing of the sort apparently for billions of years prior to doing so. Of course, no human can answer such a question, but even if one could, the next question I would pose would be: who or what created the creator? And why... With several spin-off questions like how exactly did mortal humans come to be in knowledge of a realm which exists only for the deceased when such stories had been circulated long before the 'chosen one' is said to have traveled back and forth between these realms. Erich Von Daniken has some interesting thoughts on the matter.
 
Hello Darth,



Marvelous post. Thank you greatly. I did not know who Margaret Sanger was, so took the opportunity to bone up a bit by searching Wiki:

"Margaret Higgins Sanger (born Margaret Louise Higgins, September 14, 1879 – September 6, 1966, also known as Margaret Sanger Slee) was an American birth control activist, sex educator, writer, and nurse. Sanger popularized the term "birth control", opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, and established organizations that evolved into the Planned Parenthood Federation of America.[2]

Sanger used her writings and speeches primarily to promote her way of thinking. She was prosecuted for her book Family Limitation under the Comstock Act in 1914. She was afraid of what would happen, so she fled to Britain until she knew it was safe to return to the US.[3] Sanger's efforts contributed to several judicial cases that helped legalize contraception in the United States.[4] Due to her connection with Planned Parenthood, Sanger is a frequent target of criticism by opponents of abortion. However, Sanger drew a sharp distinction between birth control and abortion and was opposed to abortion throughout the bulk of her professional career, declining to participate in them as a nurse.[5] Sanger remains an admired figure in the American reproductive rights movement.[6] She has been criticized for supporting eugenics.[7]

In 1916, Sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, which led to her arrest for distributing information on contraception, after an undercover policewoman bought a copy of her pamphlet on family planning.[8] Her subsequent trial and appeal generated controversy. Sanger felt that in order for women to have a more equal footing in society and to lead healthier lives, they needed to be able to determine when to bear children. She also wanted to prevent so-called back-alley abortions,[9] which were common at the time because abortions were illegal in the United States.[10] She believed that, while abortion may be a viable option in life-threatening situations for the pregnant, it should generally be avoided.[11] She considered contraception the only practical way to avoid them.[12]

In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which later became the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. In New York City, she organized the first birth control clinic to be staffed by all-female doctors, as well as a clinic in Harlem which had an all African-American advisory council,[13] where African-American staff were later added.[14] In 1929, she formed the National Committee on Federal Legislation for Birth Control, which served as the focal point of her lobbying efforts to legalize contraception in the United States. From 1952 to 1959, Sanger served as president of the International Planned Parenthood Federation. She died in 1966 and is widely regarded as a founder of the modern birth control movement.[4] "

She is an American Hero!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...to-margaret-sangers-racist-legacy/ar-BB171bdM
https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/5-margaret-sanger-quotes-racist-legacy-planned-parenthood/
 
Hello Darth,

Say whatever makes you happy lol.

As long as everyone is happy.

I was happy prior to this thread being initiated, and continue to be happy. I love my life. Life is good!

I didn't always enjoy life as much as I do now. I had to work at it. It has been a highly rewarding effort.

I was once a conservative Republican. And quite immature. I have improved my life vastly since then.

Being a liberal in America can be a fantastic experience. Complete honesty, and a strong resolution of being on the correct side of things. Nothing but admiration for strong liberals, coupled with a feeling of being perplexed over why so many people attempt to amass so much wealth through the control of the lives of others, and how short sided such thinking is.

If the goal is to enjoy life, and that can be achieved with a modicum of wealth, and the realization is that once that modicum of wealth is achieved, and life is already being enjoyed, that more wealth above that level does not lead to more enjoyment of life, but striving for it leads to increased stress and less enjoyment of life, it makes no sense to pursue that.

Basically, if you've got all the basics covered, plus anything else, be happy with what you have, don't worry about what others have.

No matter what you get, you will always find someone with more.

Attempting to be 'the individual with the most' is likely to result in failure because only one can have the most, and all others will fail.

I like the odds of finding happiness with less, a whole lot better!

The secret to happiness, the PoliTalker way:

Find contentment with as little as possible. Then marvel at the spectacle of the rest of humanity.

Do what you can to contribute to society. The reward is worth the effort. Be responsible.

Perform random acts of kindness. Even when there is little likelihood of recognition.

Love your neighbor and your enemy. Just keep your distance from your enemies, and you'll be fine.

Hold no grudges. Take no pleasure in the misfortune of others.

Wish everyone well. Harbor no ill will toward anyone, and experience the lowest stress possible.
 
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