Is an egg a chicken?

[Dutch Uncle]

Why does water expand when it freezes unlike virtually everything else.

Other things do. It's not magic, it's science just like climate change.

https://www.livescience.com/39451-bismuth.html
When liquid bismuth freezes, it expands rather than contracts because it forms a crystalline structure similar to water. Four other elements expand when they freeze: silicon, gallium, antimony and germanium, according to Chemicool.

 

[Darth Omar]

Why cannot it have happened that way?

Where did the smooth pebbles and stones come from?

Why couldn’t Jesus rise from the dead?

Similar questions.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

maybe it means the same being design them and humans also.

That's an assumption not based by facts in evidence.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Why couldn’t Jesus rise from the dead?

Similar questions.

Like he was in a coma after the Roman slipped him a mickey in that vinegar sponge?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

First read up on the junkyard tornado fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkyard_tornado

As for me personally, I like what the Ancient Greece philosophers said.

Thanks for the link.

A billion tornadoes over a billion junkyards over several billion years might produce a Boeing. We know life began at least once!

It's odd that there's no signs of life elsewhere. The junkyard tornado shows that life would be rare due to the low odds.

 

[AProudLefty]

Why couldn’t Jesus rise from the dead?

Similar questions.

Ever wonder why they had bells above graves back then?

 

[AProudLefty]

Thanks for the link.

A billion tornadoes over a billion junkyards over several billion years might produce a Boeing. We know life began at least once!

It's odd that there's no signs of life elsewhere. The junkyard tornado shows that life would be rare due to the low odds.

The part you missed is the reproduction aspect.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The part you missed is the reproduction aspect.

Didn't that start out with cells splitting like amoebas?

 

[AProudLefty]

Didn't that start out with cells splitting like amoebas?

747s cannot reproduce. Watches cannot reproduce.

Dawkins covered that in his book, "The Blind Watchmaker".

 

[AProudLefty]

Didn't that start out with cells splitting like amoebas?

From Wiki:

The junkyard tornado is also applied to cellular biochemistry. This is comparable to the older infinite monkey theorem but instead of the works of William Shakespeare, the claim is that the probability that a protein molecule could achieve a functional sequence of amino acids is too low to be realised by chance alone.[1][3] The argument conflates the difference between the complexity that arises from living organisms that are able to reproduce themselves (and as such may evolve under natural selection to become better adapted and perhaps more complex over time) with the complexity of inanimate objects, unable to pass on any reproductive changes (such as the multitude of parts manufactured in Boeing 747). The comparison breaks down because of this important distinction.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

747s cannot reproduce. Watches cannot reproduce.

Dawkins covered that in his book, "The Blind Watchmaker".

I was going more basic; when the seawater became alive. The physics of our universe allow this process to happen, but no one has ever replicated it. Nor have any other signs of life been discovered, although several nations are racing to find life on Mars. Even proof of ancient life.

Wasn't there a theory that life in our solar system began on Mars and then moved to Earth when it began dying?

 

[Darth Omar]

That's an assumption not based by facts in evidence.

Approach the origin of life question without making any assumptions while I sit here and watch lol.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

From Wiki:

The junkyard tornado is also applied to cellular biochemistry. This is comparable to the older infinite monkey theorem but instead of the works of William Shakespeare, the claim is that the probability that a protein molecule could achieve a functional sequence of amino acids is too low to be realised by chance alone.[1][3] The argument conflates the difference between the complexity that arises from living organisms that are able to reproduce themselves (and as such may evolve under natural selection to become better adapted and perhaps more complex over time) with the complexity of inanimate objects, unable to pass on any reproductive changes (such as the multitude of parts manufactured in Boeing 747). The comparison breaks down because of this important distinction.

If someone is advocating that all the atoms came together and suddenly there as a living cell which grew, split and grew again, then no, I disagree. More like just the spark of life itself in the oceans of Earth....or maybe Mars. Some kind of slime that became alive.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Approach the origin of life question without making any assumptions while I sit here and watch lol.

Life is provable. There is no evidence of a soul and no proof we each have one. It's a matter of faith.

 

[AProudLefty]

I was going more basic; when the seawater became alive. The physics of our universe allow this process to happen, but no one has ever replicated it. Nor have any other signs of life been discovered, although several nations are racing to find life on Mars. Even proof of ancient life.

Wasn't there a theory that life in our solar system began on Mars and then moved to Earth when it began dying?

There's also a theory that Venus was once like Earth.

 

[AProudLefty]

The point is that the reproduction through any mean makes it possible for life to arise through natural laws.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There's also a theory that Venus was once like Earth.

More like than what it is now, but Earth hasn't always been like Earth today.

https://www.sutori.com/story/timeline-of-the-earth-s-atmosphere--vT3Gywb1t82XUbryrKhq5itC
Timeline of the Earth's Atmosphere

E- Approximately 3.5 – 4 b.y.a. the Earth began to cool down and water vapor condensed into liquid water. Liquid water began to collect on the earth’s surface in lakes and oceans. The amount of water vapor in the atmosphere decreased. The atmosphere was about 70% carbon dioxide gas and 30% nitrogen gas.

 

[Darth Omar]

747s cannot reproduce. Watches cannot reproduce.

Dawkins covered that in his book, "The Blind Watchmaker".

And Berlinski dispensed with Dawkins in Devil’s Delusion.

There are two problems with the origin of life: one is complexity and the other is the origin of biological information. Both problems are formidable but the latter is intractable. You could maybe get to complexity with a billion tornados but not so much with the origin of information. Actually, information is just part of the problem: it’s the origin of *an information system*.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The point is that the reproduction through any mean makes it possible for life to arise through natural laws.

Agreed. At least life as we know it. I'm not a biologist, but most scientists seem to think life has to be either carbon or silicon-based due to properties I don't understand.

 

[Darth Omar]

More like than what it is now, but Earth hasn't always been like Earth today.

https://www.sutori.com/story/timeline-of-the-earth-s-atmosphere--vT3Gywb1t82XUbryrKhq5itC
Timeline of the Earth's Atmosphere

E- Approximately 3.5 – 4 b.y.a. the Earth began to cool down and water vapor condensed into liquid water. Liquid water began to collect on the earth’s surface in lakes and oceans. The amount of water vapor in the atmosphere decreased. The atmosphere was about 70% carbon dioxide gas and 30% nitrogen gas.

On the Google button I see lol.

A reducing atmosphere [assuming there ever was one] could conceivably account for RNA or some other precursors but in terms of biological information [information is required to construct proteins to build cellular structures] it gets you exactly nowhere.