anyone, besides me,think the courts fucked this one up?

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wisconsin courts clear GPS on vehicles with no warrant

MADISON, Wis. - Wisconsin police can attach GPS to cars to secretly track anybody's movements without obtaining search warrants, an appeals court ruled Thursday.

However, the District 4 Court of Appeals said it was "more than a little troubled" by that conclusion and asked Wisconsin lawmakers to regulate GPS use to protect against abuse by police and private individuals.

As the law currently stands, the court said police can mount GPS on cars to track people without violating their constitutional rights -- even if the drivers aren't suspects.

Officers do not need to get warrants beforehand because GPS tracking does not involve a search or a seizure, Judge Paul Lundsten wrote for the unanimous three-judge panel based in Madison.
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granted that I haven't given wisconsins state constitution any type of read over, but this seems like it would certainly violate the 4th and 5th of the US constitution.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Playing the devils advocate:

Is there a law against a person being followed (tailed) by police? Wouldn't a GPS attached to a car be the same thing?
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The difference in my opinion come down to the fact that they are installing a device secretly on the car. How is that different from bugging an office? Its not illegal to stand near someone so that you can hear their conversation, but it is illegal to wiretap an office without a warrant.

This shit had better not stand up. Goddamned Orwellian cork soakers.
 
Beefy said:
The difference in my opinion come down to the fact that they are installing a device secretly on the car. How is that different from bugging an office? Its not illegal to stand near someone so that you can hear their conversation, but it is illegal to wiretap an office without a warrant.

This shit had better not stand up. Goddamned Orwellian cork soakers.
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I think the argument would be that the GPS does not let them "hear" what is being said. When they surveil a person and "tail" them they are doing this in secret the same as if they tail them via a GPS. This is going to be a pretty important legal fight that will further blur the lines of right to privacy laws.
 
Ice Dancer said:
I think the argument would be that the GPS does not let them "hear" what is being said. When they surveil a person and "tail" them they are doing this in secret the same as if they tail them via a GPS. This is going to be a pretty important legal fight that will further blur the lines of right to privacy laws.
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Even though this makes me uncomfortable, I have to agree with this being nothing more then "Advanced Surveliance".
Currently it requires no court order if a Police Department decides to tail you by either car, helicopter, or on foot.

I believe that the Courts will uphold this; as it does not violate your privacy, anymore then being under surveliance.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Even though this makes me uncomfortable, I have to agree with this being nothing more then "Advanced Surveliance".
Currently it requires no court order if a Police Department decides to tail you by either car, helicopter, or on foot.

I believe that the Courts will uphold this; as it does not violate your privacy, anymore then being under surveliance.
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Big government conservatives, you guys are whacked the fuck out.

This is totally obviously a violation of the 4th. Government being able to track anyones movement through secret electronic information gathering devices placed on you own private property, without warrant, cause, and for whatever reason they want? You're cool with that?

Jesus. Are you totally insane?
 
Beefy said:
Big government conservatives, you guys are whacked the fuck out.

This is totally obviously a violation of the 4th. Government being able to track anyones movement through secret electronic information gathering devices placed on you own private property, without warrant, cause, and for whatever reason they want? You're cool with that?

Jesus. Are you totally insane?
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Well; since it's become obvious that you didn't read ALL that I posted, why don't you sit down and try reading it again.
Especially the first part, where I said that I wasn't comfortable with it.

Ecplain how this is any different then the Police settng up a surveliance camera and taking pictures of you, while you're in your front yard; because it's already been ruled that this is in violation of nothing.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Well; since it's become obvious that you didn't read ALL that I posted, why don't you sit down and try reading it again.
Especially the first part, where I said that I wasn't comfortable with it.

Ecplain how this is any different then the Police settng up a surveliance camera and taking pictures of you, while you're in your front yard; because it's already been ruled that this is in violation of nothing.
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Maybe the gas chamber operator at Auschwitz was uncomfortable with pulling the lever too, but that doesn't make him any less of a tool in the system.

When you're out in public, your actions are by default public. When they are installing surveillance equipment on your private property without your knowledge, without warrants, and without cause, that's a big difference.

What boogeyman are you so afraid of? You trust the "law enforcement" (LOL) end of government, but not the rest? You tel me where you draw the line.

But no matter what silly analogy you draw from this, I won't accept that it is legal to place secret surveillance equipment on private property without warrants.

Good day sir.
 
Beefy said:
Maybe the gas chamber operator at Auschwitz was uncomfortable with pulling the lever too, but that doesn't make him any less of a tool in the system.

When you're out in public, your actions are by default public. When they are installing surveillance equipment on your private property without your knowledge, without warrants, and without cause, that's a big difference.

What boogeyman are you so afraid of? You trust the "law enforcement" (LOL) end of government, but not the rest? You tel me where you draw the line.

But no matter what silly analogy you draw from this, I won't accept that it is legal to place secret surveillance equipment on private property without warrants.

Good day sir.
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How in the hell do you draw a comparison between my comment and a "gas chamber operator at Auschwitz"; unless you just want to argue, instead of having a discussion??

You accepting is as "legal" has no bearing on the subject.

Please tell me where I said that I "trust" anyone??
 
The fact that Beefy is still responding to you probably means he didn't see the thread where you refused to acknowledge that a scientific poll of 2000 people could represent the US population within 3 percentage points of accuracy.
 
ib1yysguy said:
The fact that Beefy is still responding to you probably means he didn't see the thread where you refused to acknowledge that a scientific poll of 2000 people could represent the US population within 3 percentage points of accuracy.
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Only if the population is less then what it is now.
 
ib1yysguy said:
Please, please take a college-level statistics class and have this debate with your professor when he brings it up on about day 1 in front of the entire class.
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
And the elitist liberal (you) opens his mouth and takes away all doubt of his own stupidity.

Thanks
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
If I have or not, has what to do with the discussion regarding GPS tracking??
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It has a lot to do with the amount of creditability people give you. Nothing more. You are clearly ignorant of some very basic science, which makes you unfit to vote. Meet me at dawn for a duel, and shoot yourself please.
 
Beefy said:
Okay then. Fantasyland VS. reality.

Hmmmm. I'll take realty.

Remember never to let reality interfere with your ideology, and you'll be fine.
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And you are entitled to your own opinion, no matter how stupid and fucked up it is.

So, enjoy.

By the way, why would you take land (realty)??
 
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