Liberal Bigotry

[DamnYankee]

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And for you to suggest that the only way democrats get blacks to vote for them is by dangling free stuff in front of those lazy dumb shiftless negroes sort of proves my point for me. ....

Its simple human nature. Dangle free stuff in front of any particular group and they'll support you.

Again, although I detest the obvious hidden agenda I commend you on your brilliant strategy. It's been very effective and will ensure the demise of those that you detest while they blindly support you.

 

[maineman]

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats." Kevin Phillips. Senior Nixon political campaign staff strategist

 

[SR_]

it was a process. democrats in the north were quicker to get on board then were the racist democrats from your neck of the woods. Strom Thurmond ran as a DIXIEcrat rather than support integration... Modern day Republicans like Trent Lott thought, even THIS century, that we would have been a better nation TODAY if Strom the segregationist would have won over Truman and Dewey.

And for you to suggest that the only way democrats get blacks to vote for them is by dangling free stuff in front of those lazy dumb shiftless negroes sort of proves my point for me. Black Americans have you guys all figured out... you can keep the white sheets on the bed and the hoods in the closet, but your true nature comes through loud and clear.

Actually maineman youre kind of describing the way the democratic party looks at African Americans. The democratic party has over the past 60 years done everything they can to create a black dependence on the government BECAUSE your party has always felt that blacks were dumb shiftless negroes.

I mean, lets look at your party's logic. If you respect the abilitys of a collection of people why would you build government housing and ghettos to "house" them in and provide punitive retribution to anyone working to get out? Why would you advance public policy that FORCES employers to hire based on race quotas if you felt that blacks were equal in terms of talent and intellect?

If you and your friend were going to have a foot race and you said "why dont you take a 20ft head start", are you saying that you feel both of you are equal, or are you saying that your friend is less than you are therefor you feel its only fair to "help" the lesser between you in order to "give" him a shot to win?

The policies supported by liberal democrats as they relate to African Americans have always advanced the notion that blacks "need" help because they are unable to function by themselves, it is inherently racist and condescending to African Americans and over time, as you clearly pointed out, you have installed a belief that democrats "care" and have developed a dependency on the Democratic Party because you've consistently kept the boot on the neck of the African American, never allowing them to get to far ahead.

And its been to their detriment. If you look at the poorest communities in our inner city's, the rates of dependence on government programs, the populations of our prisons, etc..

Just imagine if our current president had stayed within the confines of the acceptable behavior that democrats have for African Americans? It would have been impossible for him to attain higher education, pursue the most challenging roads, step up and lead his communities. These are all actions based on conservative principles of self determination, personal accountability, the quote "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"... Its amazing that he has been able to do what he has, DESPITE the efforts of the democratic party to make him into a second class american citizen who requires government assistance because he should not be expected to make it on his own.

So, If youre suggesting that black americans have republicans or conservatives figured out.. in that we actually dont believe they require so much assistance because we view them as equals... then I would say you were incorrect. I think as human nature has been shown time and time again that a person will support whoever is willing to "do something" for them.. what I think more and more black people will be figuring out over time is that the Democratic cause is not a noble one when it comes to the African American community.. its been a deviant objective to subvert success and keep the black community dependent on democrats for the handouts that they have been convinced is for their own best interest.

Maybe one day democrats will be honest and they will come to see the truth... that it never has been in their best interest, and the only people being served are liberal politicians.

SR

 

[Jarod]

Actually maineman youre kind of describing the way the democratic party looks at African Americans. The democratic party has over the past 60 years done everything they can to create a black dependence on the government BECAUSE your party has always felt that blacks were dumb shiftless negroes.

I mean, lets look at your party's logic. If you respect the abilitys of a collection of people why would you build government housing and ghettos to "house" them in and provide punitive retribution to anyone working to get out? Why would you advance public policy that FORCES employers to hire based on race quotas if you felt that blacks were equal in terms of talent and intellect?

If you and your friend were going to have a foot race and you said "why dont you take a 20ft head start", are you saying that you feel both of you are equal, or are you saying that your friend is less than you are therefor you feel its only fair to "help" the lesser between you in order to "give" him a shot to win?

The policies supported by liberal democrats as they relate to African Americans have always advanced the notion that blacks "need" help because they are unable to function by themselves, it is inherently racist and condescending to African Americans and over time, as you clearly pointed out, you have installed a belief that democrats "care" and have developed a dependency on the Democratic Party because you've consistently kept the boot on the neck of the African American, never allowing them to get to far ahead.

And its been to their detriment. If you look at the poorest communities in our inner city's, the rates of dependence on government programs, the populations of our prisons, etc..

Just imagine if our current president had stayed within the confines of the acceptable behavior that democrats have for African Americans? It would have been impossible for him to attain higher education, pursue the most challenging roads, step up and lead his communities. These are all actions based on conservative principles of self determination, personal accountability, the quote "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"... Its amazing that he has been able to do what he has, DESPITE the efforts of the democratic party to make him into a second class american citizen who requires government assistance because he should not be expected to make it on his own.

So, If youre suggesting that black americans have republicans or conservatives figured out.. in that we actually dont believe they require so much assistance because we view them as equals... then I would say you were incorrect. I think as human nature has been shown time and time again that a person will support whoever is willing to "do something" for them.. what I think more and more black people will be figuring out over time is that the Democratic cause is not a noble one when it comes to the African American community.. its been a deviant objective to subvert success and keep the black community dependent on democrats for the handouts that they have been convinced is for their own best interest.

Maybe one day democrats will be honest and they will come to see the truth... that it never has been in their best interest, and the only people being served are liberal politicians.

SR

WHO SAID ONLY BLACK PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN GOVERNMENT HOUSING AND GETTOS? Ill never vote for such a person!!!

Thats terrable!

 

[Jarod]

The policies supported by liberal democrats as they relate to African Americans have always advanced the notion that blacks "need" help because they are unable to function by themselves, it is inherently racist and condescending to African Americans and over time, as you clearly pointed out, you have installed a belief that democrats "care" and have developed a dependency on the Democratic Party because you've consistently kept the boot on the neck of the African American, never allowing them to get to far ahead.
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They dont need help because they are unable to function on there own, they deserve a boost because they start way behind socially due to the position there ancestors were in when they were brought to this nation.

 

[Jarod]

Just imagine if our current president had stayed within the confines of the acceptable behavior that democrats have for African Americans? It would have been impossible for him to attain higher education, pursue the most challenging roads, step up and lead his communities. These are all actions based on conservative principles of self determination, personal accountability, the quote "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"... Its amazing that he has been able to do what he has, DESPITE the efforts of the democratic party to make him into a second class american citizen who requires government assistance because he should not be expected to make it on his own.
_________

The Democrats have embraced the president, they would not have done so had they built confines for him that he did not stay inside
!

 

[SR_]

The policies supported by liberal democrats as they relate to African Americans have always advanced the notion that blacks "need" help because they are unable to function by themselves, it is inherently racist and condescending to African Americans and over time, as you clearly pointed out, you have installed a belief that democrats "care" and have developed a dependency on the Democratic Party because you've consistently kept the boot on the neck of the African American, never allowing them to get to far ahead.
_____

They dont need help because they are unable to function on there own, they deserve a boost because they start way behind socially due to the position there ancestors were in when they were brought to this nation.

so you are saying that a 25 yr old african american, born in 1984, is less than equal to his/her fellow citizens, they are unable to survive and/or thrive without government assistance. So you provide that assistance in terms of what? Forcing them to attend poorly managed, funded, and crumbling inner city public school systems? You create programs that enable them to receive government funds but if they attain some measure of success above a very low threshold their program involvement is cut off? You make it to where they dont know if theyre being hired because of their hard work and skills or their skin color? You continue to advance the notion that they are handicapped in some way and require assistance?

These are not actions that anyone takes for someone they view as equal and deserving. In fact ALL of these actions clearly demonstrate and very poor view of African Americans and their abilities and equalities.

Let me ask all democrats this. Do you believe that the African American community would be able to survive and/or thrive without your "help"?

SR

 

[Onceler]

There is no simple answer. This premise is the starting point: there is no way, even in 2009, that MOST African Americans can be considered to be on any sort of "level playing field" in America when it comes to education & jobs. To argue otherwise is ignoring some significant & indisputable realities out there.

That said, I think that many of the programs offered to try to level the field, while well-intended, are ineffective, and sometimes counter-productive. I tend to believe philisophically that the more people can do without gov't assistance, the better off they'll be in the long run; it's the whole give a fish/teach to fish thing.

That said, I don't buy the argument that a hands off approach will yield results. I don't think it has historically, and I have no reason to believe it will going forward. Where things start & end is education, and access to a good one. That will change the job environment (though not completely, as racism is still a factor there)

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Actually maineman youre kind of describing the way the democratic party looks at African Americans. The democratic party has over the past 60 years done everything they can to create a black dependence on the government BECAUSE your party has always felt that blacks were dumb shiftless negroes.

I mean, lets look at your party's logic. If you respect the abilitys of a collection of people why would you build government housing and ghettos to "house" them in and provide punitive retribution to anyone working to get out? Why would you advance public policy that FORCES employers to hire based on race quotas if you felt that blacks were equal in terms of talent and intellect?

If you and your friend were going to have a foot race and you said "why dont you take a 20ft head start", are you saying that you feel both of you are equal, or are you saying that your friend is less than you are therefor you feel its only fair to "help" the lesser between you in order to "give" him a shot to win?

The policies supported by liberal democrats as they relate to African Americans have always advanced the notion that blacks "need" help because they are unable to function by themselves, it is inherently racist and condescending to African Americans and over time, as you clearly pointed out, you have installed a belief that democrats "care" and have developed a dependency on the Democratic Party because you've consistently kept the boot on the neck of the African American, never allowing them to get to far ahead.

And its been to their detriment. If you look at the poorest communities in our inner city's, the rates of dependence on government programs, the populations of our prisons, etc..

Just imagine if our current president had stayed within the confines of the acceptable behavior that democrats have for African Americans? It would have been impossible for him to attain higher education, pursue the most challenging roads, step up and lead his communities. These are all actions based on conservative principles of self determination, personal accountability, the quote "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"... Its amazing that he has been able to do what he has, DESPITE the efforts of the democratic party to make him into a second class american citizen who requires government assistance because he should not be expected to make it on his own.

So, If youre suggesting that black americans have republicans or conservatives figured out.. in that we actually dont believe they require so much assistance because we view them as equals... then I would say you were incorrect. I think as human nature has been shown time and time again that a person will support whoever is willing to "do something" for them.. what I think more and more black people will be figuring out over time is that the Democratic cause is not a noble one when it comes to the African American community.. its been a deviant objective to subvert success and keep the black community dependent on democrats for the handouts that they have been convinced is for their own best interest.

Maybe one day democrats will be honest and they will come to see the truth... that it never has been in their best interest, and the only people being served are liberal politicians.

SR

excellent post.

 

[SR_]

There is no simple answer. This premise is the starting point: there is no way, even in 2009, that MOST African Americans can be considered to be on any sort of "level playing field" in America when it comes to education & jobs. To argue otherwise is ignoring some significant & indisputable realities out there.

That said, I think that many of the programs offered to try to level the field, while well-intended, are ineffective, and sometimes counter-productive. I tend to believe philisophically that the more people can do without gov't assistance, the better off they'll be in the long run; it's the whole give a fish/teach to fish thing.

That said, I don't buy the argument that a hands off approach will yield results. I don't think it has historically, and I have no reason to believe it will going forward. Where things start & end is education, and access to a good one. That will change the job environment (though not completely, as racism is still a factor there)

What im saying, is as an elected official making public policy if you try to make programs that are accessible to all and focused towards none, then it demonstrates a desire to elevate all. When you single out a subset group of those that need your "assistance" and you create dependence within that subset then their elevation is to YOUR political demise and thus it makes no sense to be honestly trying to "help" them. Youre really only helping yourself.

Theres no positive expectation from any subset group to be voting 90% + for one party, you have no power to actually get results because theres no incentive for the party you are voting for to actually "do" anything on your behalf.. youre going to vote for them anyway. and there is CLEARLY no reason for the other party to do anything either because you've demonstrated that you are so overwhelmingly in support of one party that theres no room for gains to be made.

However, in some cases like in my state of Texas, the african american community is done "waiting" for assistance because we dont really provide it here to any special subset. And the african american community is beginning to build wealth because just like the rest of us, they have too. And as they continue to build wealth they will wish to keep more and more of it... the trappings of success will build momentum.. and they will want to give more and more to their children and less and less to the government which they found they did not NEED in order to attain success.

More and more african americans I come across down here in Texas, and in the Marine Corps are becoming more and more conservative in their views as they demonstrate that the only thing keeping them down were racist politicians who believed they couldnt make it on their own.

Which I think will end up being good for the republican party in the long run, many African Americans identify with conservative social values (as demonstrated in proposition 8 in california). I think the more African American small business's that are created the more and more to the right they will become because... its just as much human nature to want to accept handouts as it is for the successful to not want to be forced to give them. lol

The further and further the African American community abandons the public housing that the government has for many years confined them too, the better access to better education and opportunity they will find. It builds on itself over and over.

The more successful African Americans become DESPITE these liberal policies to keep them down, the more and more their views will shift to the right when it comes election time. It will just take many years to get past all the damage the Democratic Party has done to the African American community.

SR

 

[zappasguitar]

Nope, not ALL anything is anything, that would be a bigoted viewpoint. We are all individuals, we all have individual attributes as people, so I am sure there are some liberals who aren't the least bit bigoted or prejudice... I just haven't met them or conversed with them here.

You need me to define a liberal to you? I think you are smart enough to figure it out. They have defined their agenda fairly well, it shouldn't be that difficult.

The very first sentence of your post starting this thread:

Dixie wrote:

"Reading through the threads today, it occurred to me, liberals always tend to be bigoted in their views."

So, which time were you lying??

 

[christiefan915]

Nope, not ALL anything is anything, that would be a bigoted viewpoint. We are all individuals, we all have individual attributes as people, so I am sure there are some liberals who aren't the least bit bigoted or prejudice... I just haven't met them or conversed with them here.

You need me to define a liberal to you? I think you are smart enough to figure it out. They have defined their agenda fairly well, it shouldn't be that difficult.

"Reading through the threads today, it occurred to me, liberals always tend to be bigoted in their views."

"Nope, not ALL anything is anything, that would be a bigoted viewpoint."


Is anybody besides me laughing at the irony of these two statements?

 

[zappasguitar]

"Reading through the threads today, it occurred to me, liberals always tend to be bigoted in their views."

"Nope, not ALL anything is anything, that would be a bigoted viewpoint."


Is anybody besides me laughing at the irony of these two statements?

Oh, I'm right there with ya!

 

[DamnYankee]

There is no simple answer. This premise is the starting point: there is no way, even in 2009, that MOST African Americans can be considered to be on any sort of "level playing field" in America when it comes to education & jobs. To argue otherwise is ignoring some significant & indisputable realities out there....

And this "reality" has been caused by the Democrat Party: high rates of single parent (mostly mothers only) homes are among blacks:

In 1999 the rate of single-parent families among black families was 56 percent; among Hispanic families, 32 percent; and among white families, 20 percent. Higher rates of black single-parent families result from higher rates of out-of-marriage adolescent childbearing within this group and higher divorce rates among black women.

http://social.jrank.org/pages/579/S...alence-Single-Parent-Families-in-America.html

 

[DamnYankee]

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats." Kevin Phillips. Senior Nixon political campaign staff strategist

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion [as a judge] than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.” Supreme Court nominee Judge Sonia Sotomayor, in her Judge Mario G. Olmos Law and Cultural Diversity Lecture at the University of California Berkeley School of Law in 2001.

 

[Bfgrn]

Actually, rascism and bigotry are hallmarks of the Democrat Party, which of course is populated with liberals like yourself. The Democrats brought us slavery, segregation, and Affirmative Action. The KKK is the terrorist wing of the democrat Party.

"Dixie" was one of the greatest tunes ever written, and isn't racist whatsoever. Your assertion of that is bigoted and part of your well-worn template.

What a pile of crap...

Racism and bigotry were hallmarks of the south... The 1964 Civil Right Bill is a great example...

The bill was introduced by a Democrat; President John F. Kennedy in his civil rights speech of June 12, 1963.

The Bill was pushed through by a Democrat; Lyndon Johnson.

He had help from northern Democrats and northern Republicans after a 54 day filibuster by the southern block, or Dixiecrats. Senators Everett Dirksen (R-IL), Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill to attract enough Republican votes to end the filibuster.

The conference bill was passed by both houses of Congress, and was signed into law by President Johnson on July 2, 1964. Legend has it that as he put down his pen Johnson told an aide, "We have lost the South for a generation."

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)
wiki

Notice there was NO SUCH THING as a Dixiecan... 11 total southern Republicans in BOTH houses... ZERO votes...

Yea, the southern Democrats were bigots, and so were the southern Republicans and conservatives!

 

[Cancel5]

Generalizations are lazy and inaccurate.

 

[Jarod]

so you are saying that a 25 yr old african american, born in 1984, is less than equal to his/her fellow citizens, they are unable to survive and/or thrive without government assistance. So you provide that assistance in terms of what? Forcing them to attend poorly managed, funded, and crumbling inner city public school systems? You create programs that enable them to receive government funds but if they attain some measure of success above a very low threshold their program involvement is cut off? You make it to where they dont know if theyre being hired because of their hard work and skills or their skin color? You continue to advance the notion that they are handicapped in some way and require assistance?

These are not actions that anyone takes for someone they view as equal and deserving. In fact ALL of these actions clearly demonstrate and very poor view of African Americans and their abilities and equalities.

Let me ask all democrats this. Do you believe that the African American community would be able to survive and/or thrive without your "help"?

SR

No thats not what I am saying...

What I said was...

They dont need help because they are unable to function on there own, they deserve a boost because they start way behind socially due to the position there ancestors were in when they were brought to this nation.

 

[ib1yysguy]

Hard for that post to get any more dishonest.

 

[DamnYankee]

...The 1964 Civil Right Bill is a great example...

This part of your post is true. This Act was basically a re-write of the second Civil Rights Act passed by Republicans over Democrat opposition.... in 1875. Here's a condensed history lesson of Civil Rights legislation for you:

The strong Republican majority in congress overrode a veto from Democrat President Andrew Johnson for the first time in US history and passed the Civil Rights Act of 1868. The racist Johnson then refused to enforce it.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights act of 1875, which was struck down by the Democrat majority Supreme Court in 1883. Republicans tried again in 1957, watering down a Civil Rights Act to overcome stiff Democrat opposition. 1960 brought a third Republican Civil Rights Act, pushed through after nearly a week long Democrat filibuster.

President John Kennedy became the first Democratic President to embrace the conservative ideals of the Radical Republicans. Democratic President Lyndon Johnson, who himself grew up impoverished in the South, pushed his party further, and supported the Republican sponsored 1964 Civil Rights Act. This Act was essentially a re-writing of the 1875 legislation, and was passed against chief opponents Albert Gore Sr. and a 14 hour filibuster by former Klansman Robert Byrd, still a Democrat senator to this day. Johnson was instrumental in strengthening the Act in 1968.