The height of Democracy.

Yakuda said:
Prove it cunt. Oh that right youre a fucking pussy and never actually get around to backing up any of the shit that passes for your posts. Go back to fucking your dog you cunt
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Your own words prove it you horrible excuse for a human


Being a racist you are too stupid to understand any truths
 
Yakuda said:
Then why did you reply, this why we need anti racists, in response to his post?
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Because people who refuse to acknowledge there are structural vestiges of racism built into the system are a big reason we need anti-racists.
Just because you refuse to acknowledge there are structural vestiges of racism built into the system does not mean you are a racist, but it does mean you do not see the need to do anything about what I see as a system with racist elements built into it.
 
Cypress said:
This is why your party gets very little support from Jews, blacks, asians, Hispanics.

You refuse to acknowlege the experiences and concerns of anyone who is not a white Christian nationalist.

The ADL was from in 1913. But anti semitism still exists today. One of your rightwing buddies recently shot up that synagogue in Pittsburgh
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Where have I refused to acknowledge anyone's experience? The question is how are things made better. At some point individuals have to make different choices for themselves. The answer to every problem in the black community is not racism of whatever variety the left conjures up.
 
Jarod said:
Because people who refuse to acknowledge there are structural vestiges of racism built into the system are a big reason we need anti-racists.
Just because you refuse to acknowledge there are structural vestiges of racism built into the system does not mean you are a racist, but it does mean you do not see the need to do anything about what I see as a system with racist elements built into it.
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Then I ask again give me the best example of this "structural vestiges of racism built into the system".
 
Jarod said:
The 1619 project does not teach that the American people are racist, but that our system was fundamentally built by people who were. This is why it is so difficult for people of color to get ahead, and while we are trying to fix it, we also need to recognize that as it currently is built, it is harder for these people as a group. You severely misunderstand the 1619 project.

Americans generally are not racists, but to fix the system, we need to be more than non-racists, we need to be affirmatively anti-racist. The first step is teaching the fact that the system was intentionally built to be racist.
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^ This.
 
cawacko said:
I have read and listened to plenty about the 1619 Project. I'm in no way proclaiming myself an expert but I've aware of what their position is. And if you think they believe (white) people just stopped being racist at some point in time then you are very mistaken.

Colin Kaepernick got a bunch of sh*t for not voting. His position was America is an oppressive country and voting only upholds that oppression. Therefore it would be hypocritical of him to vote. Now one is free to disagree with that position of course. But how many times have we heard "I vote Democratic because I'm not a racist and I don't support white supremacy or systemic racism". Bullsh*t!!

We have had basically two political party's that have run this country for much of its history and if you've voted for either you've played a role in the system we have. We have a President who wrote the crime bill legislation that put more black men in prison that any other legislation. It's been called The New Jim Crow and is Exhibit A of System Racism. Yet people say 'I voted for Biden because I don't support racism'. Give me a break.

Ibram Kendi's whole M.O. about anti-racism is equality of outcomes. Take one example, the stock market. How many people here celebrate when it goes up? Yet who does it benefit the most? Largely white people. Far less P.O.C. own stocks. That's systemic racism is it not? So why do we celebrate it?

We could go on and on of course.
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It passed with republican support so they are not blameless here. And the bill was about much more than putting black men in prison.
 
cawacko said:
Here's where you are mistaken. "A good idea at the time" is not an acceptable answer. That's why we cancel people. People in the future will look at us today and call us all racist and deplorables just as we do people from the past.

My point about Biden wasn't about Trump. It was in 2020 we elected a person who throughout his career has upheld existing (racist) power structures and wrote racist legislation. One could argue it's difficult to change the system overnight but in the future people will say why didn't we? Just as we say about allowing slavery in this country at its founding. In real time you have to do with present realities but in the future you don't when looking back and judging.
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A lot of people supported the bill at the time. According to one article "Ms. Brock’s comments underscore a sometimes overlooked reality in today’s re-examination of the crime bill: The legislation was broadly embraced by nonwhite voters, more enthusiastically even than by white voters. About 58 percent of nonwhites supported it in 1994, according to a Gallup poll, compared with 49 percent of white voters."
 
christiefan915 said:
It passed with republican support so they are not blameless here. And the bill was about much more than putting black men in prison.
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I didn't mention Republicans because we're already considered racist, deplorables etc. There are some/perhaps many Democrats who believe that because they are a Democrat that they are not racist and don't support systemic racism. So if that's the case then why pass racist legislation like the crime bill? Sure you can claim there are other parts to the bill but that doesn't change anything. It was systemic racism.
 
Cypress said:
This is why your party gets very little support from Jews, blacks, asians, Hispanics.

You refuse to acknowlege the experiences and concerns of anyone who is not a white Christian nationalist.

The ADL was from in 1913. But anti semitism still exists today. One of your rightwing buddies recently shot up that synagogue in Pittsburgh
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You are so right. Orthodox Jews from that area are still getting anti-Semitic threats to this day.

"The Jewish Federation of Greater Pittsburgh issued a warning to the local Jewish community, telling them to “be vigilant” in the wake of several antisemitic incidents.

Since the beginning of June alone, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported Tuesday, four members of the Orthodox community in the Squirrel Hill neighborhood of Pittsburgh have been verbally and/or physically assaulted...

A traditional center of Jewish life in the city, Squirrel Hill was the site of the 2018 shooting attack on the Tree of Life synagogue that left 11 dead, in the worst act of antisemitic violence in US history. Shawn Brokos — the community security director for the Federation — said the group has seen a rise in antisemitism over the past month spurred by Israel’s 11-day war with the Gaza terrorist group Hamas, echoing a broader US trend..."

ttps://www.algemeiner.com/2021/06/23/top-pittsburgh-jewish-organization-warns-local-jews-following-series-of-antisemitic-incidents/
 
christiefan915 said:
A lot of people supported the bill at the time. According to one article "Ms. Brock’s comments underscore a sometimes overlooked reality in today’s re-examination of the crime bill: The legislation was broadly embraced by nonwhite voters, more enthusiastically even than by white voters. About 58 percent of nonwhites supported it in 1994, according to a Gallup poll, compared with 49 percent of white voters."
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A lot of people supported a lot of legislation in our history at the time that we look back upon as racist. Does that make it justifiable? It seems very contradictory to me to say you are against systemic racism, are for anti-racism teaching and legislation and against the school to prison pipeline yet try to justify this legislation.

(Now I know why the legislation got support, people tend to not like crime and when it increases they want something done.)
 
cawacko said:
A lot of people supported a lot of legislation in our history at the time that we look back upon as racist. Does that make it justifiable? It seems very contradictory to me to say you are against systemic racism and the school to prison pipeline yet try to justify this legislation.

(Now I know why the legislation got support, people tend to not like crime and when it increases they want something done.)
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It's not justifiable but isn't this what some repubs call "presentism" when Dems do it?
 
cawacko said:
A lot of people supported a lot of legislation in our history at the time that we look back upon as racist. Does that make it justifiable? It seems very contradictory to me to say you are against systemic racism, are for anti-racism teaching and legislation and against the school to prison pipeline yet try to justify this legislation.

(Now I know why the legislation got support, people tend to not like crime and when it increases they want something done.)
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Are you claiming Biden is a racist?
 
christiefan915 said:
It's not justifiable but isn't this what some repubs call "presentism?"
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Yes. It's why we cancel people in history. It's why you and I will be cancelled in the future. It's why I laugh when people today claim they aren't racist because people in the future will say yes you are and support of this legislation will be a perfect example.
 
Jarod said:
Are you claiming Biden is a racist?
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That depends on how you want to define racist. If you go by the TTQ64 standard any white man in power is racist. If you go by the Robin DeAngelo definition in White Fragility then yeah, he's racist because all white people are. If making racist/racially insensitive statements makes one a racist then yes he is. If writing racist legislation and supporting existing power structures is deemed racist then yeah he is.

But my point here is about far more than Biden. This is all much bigger than one person or who holds political office. Nor do I really care if one calls Biden a racist or not.
 
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