Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
You asked your race. Special olympics is the one for you. they have several heats.
Dehumanization of white men
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You asked your race. Special olympics is the one for you. they have several heats.
Oh, I get it. An Obama-style Special Olympics joke. How profound. Now back to the original question. Who "hates" their "race"?
Sammy Jankis
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Yes, my profundity astounds.
You hate your race and gender, like a good jew trained goyim.
That's why you love Affimative Action.
"race" is real enough to be a deciding factor in hiring and firing, so it's quite real despite your insinuation to the opposite, with your moronic "quotations of doubt".
That's idiotic. I'm on your side on the Affirmative Action debate, you are just too stupid to see it. Seriously, I don't like using words like idiotic and stupid, but when the shoe fits....
Of course I think it is an ethnicity, as you point out, and you still have no idea what "race" I am. Which "race" do I hate?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Funny. I remember going around and around for about two days with you on this. And you didn't care because you have two daughters, and anyone who this effects is a whiny loser anyway.
Shall I go find the thread?
I remember the thread well. It's the one where I said we should work to remove the Affirmative Action laws rather than try to include even more people to the list. You were the one who assumed my "race" and wondered why I "hated" them and wished they weren't on the list you so desperately want to be part of.
It's your position that we should extend a bad government program to include you, because you feel left out. Be strong, work for what is right, get rid of stupid lists that separate us by "race" as defined by the government. Otherwise you are just working for more government intervention and a sense of entitlement by pigmentation that you don't deserve.
In short.
Where we agree = Affirmative Action is government sanctioned separation by race and is wrong.
Where we disagree = You believe that the program should be expanded to include more "races", I believe that the program should be gone and we should begin to judge people by the content of their character rather than the false designation of "race" as defined by the government.
Where we agree = Affirmative Action is government sanctioned separation by race and is wrong.
Where we disagree = You believe that the program should be expanded to include more "races", I believe that the program should be gone and we should begin to judge people by the content of their character rather than the false designation of "race" as defined by the government.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
You got rather vicious to be in such agreement. Honestly.
I argue back to you that including all races and genders is the same effect as eliminating the program alltogether, a basic truth you seem to have trouble comprehending. I would be appy eliminating the crap altogether as well, but in lieu of that, including all peoples and genders would eliminate the discriminatory effect. That would also be satisfactory. Why you have such profound disagreement with that is inscrutably odd.
Except it isn't. It is simply extending the separation by a false premise and making government far more intrusive in the direction of Thought Police. It may make you feel "safe" to have the hand of government guiding the thoughts of others nearby, it may make you think that you now have the "same protections" but what really happened was one more step towards cradle to grave care and control of what and how you think.
As one who talks a good game about fighting government control over every aspect of life, it is inscrutable that you would support even deeper intrusion over actual freedom.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Sillly damo. You won't get what you want with your all or nothing strategy.
Sometimes you we have to use the intellectual trickery of the race collectivists to achieve rights for all individuals.
What matters in the end is that individuals are protected, if we must list all known races to achieve this, it is worth it. Sometimes pragmatism is best.
Except at some point I will. The reality is many on the left, including the dude on the radio here, realize that Affirmative Action should not be permanent and look for different options. There is room for something that does not separate by this false premise, which would be a step in the right direction rather than a further step in the wrong one. The government should not be in the business of defining and dividing by race.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
I understand you commitment to the intellectual purity of it. But stopping the injustice as soon as possible is my goal. The symbolism of it is secondary, important, yet secondary.
The way the law is structured now, simply defining all know races as genders as protected classes, would nullify any discriminatory effect, and might be quickest. And that's what's important.
Again, here there is a fork in the road, one where we step towards the end of government defined race division, and one which you wish to take. I prefer the former.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
We do fork, but you've got it framed all wrong.
You prefer being stuck in the status quo, wanting to reform the whole program, when a simple tweak will eliminate all actual discrmination.
You are stuck on thoughts and mental models, instead of the actual reality on the ground. I prefer actual justice, regardless of what people are thinking in their heads. Sticks and stones you know?
Except your goal is to have the government define each race, this isn't justice in any measure, it is control by an already flawed premise. It works in the opposite direction.
One tweak is all that is needed in the other direction, instead of race make it about economic hardship, this begins a long trek towards reality without the government teaching you to think in false divisions based on pigmentation and is what is being discussed by those on the left who understand that this should not be something that continues for eternity. In short, this idea is far closer to fruition than your continuation of the false division.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
You seem to forget, my first choice would also be to scrap the whole thing too. But, IN LIEUE OF THAT, I see adding more protected classes as a perhaps easier stop gap measure that would ACTUALLY ELIMINATE THE DISCIMINATION.
I think adding protected classes is a less major tweak than switching the whole race orienation of the program. You can disagree with that, but you are wrong.
Again, what they actually speak of is not the further inclusion of yet more races into the false divide of legal race division, it is to remove that factor and make it much more measurable.
You stand about and keep wishing, your idea will never see fruition, while mine is being discussed by people on both sides, some of whom will be directly capable of making change.
In short your "justice" by further PC mind control isn't justice and nobody wants it.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
As I said, I would also prefer complete elimination of the program.
But i see other actions which could eliminate the obvious and intended racial discrimination against white men which is ongoing, namely the inclusion of causcasians and males as protected classes.
Actually, I see adding protected classes as perhaps easier than scrapping the whole program.
You would reject a solution which would eliminate the obvious ongoing discrimination against white males, holding out for your symbol-obsessed purity.
If i were you, i would revisit my notions of reality, justice, and effectiveness.
uscitizen
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I have been thinking on the title of this thread.
White men have done a tremendous amount of actions that thereby dehumanize them as a group. This is not of course all inclusive however signigficant.
Just view recent history.
Trumped up excuses to invade occupy and remove the leader of a sovern nation.
Just call all the innocents killed collateral damage.
I also recall the "Just nuke em all and let god sort them out" cry among a large number of the war supporters.
I realize that many were driven by fear induced and exploited mania.
However we should be larger than that.
Lets not forget how we took this country from the natives.
How the spanish decimated cultures in middle and southern america for Gols!
How we still use cheap almost slave labor to fill our coffers.
How it is a constant battle by the few to keep the greedy from trashing our planet.
That is all for now, perhaps White males are reaping their harvest from their plantings over the millenia.
btw other races have their history of stupid actions to deal with as well.
Many were sold into slavery by their "brothers" in Africa.
And the vast majority of these types of actions have been MALE dominated.
White men have done a tremendous amount of actions that thereby dehumanize them as a group. This is not of course all inclusive however signigficant.
Just view recent history.
Trumped up excuses to invade occupy and remove the leader of a sovern nation.
Just call all the innocents killed collateral damage.
I also recall the "Just nuke em all and let god sort them out" cry among a large number of the war supporters.
I realize that many were driven by fear induced and exploited mania.
However we should be larger than that.
Lets not forget how we took this country from the natives.
How the spanish decimated cultures in middle and southern america for Gols!
How we still use cheap almost slave labor to fill our coffers.
How it is a constant battle by the few to keep the greedy from trashing our planet.
That is all for now, perhaps White males are reaping their harvest from their plantings over the millenia.
btw other races have their history of stupid actions to deal with as well.
Many were sold into slavery by their "brothers" in Africa.
And the vast majority of these types of actions have been MALE dominated.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
More discrimination is not the antidote to previous discrimination.