45% now trust the GOP more

[Mott the Hoople]

You know my story, born in Columbus with five generations of family members either having gone or are currently going to Ohio State. Even with my Buckeye love it cannot top God's chosen one... Mr. Pete Carroll.

Wait till he gets to the Shoe in September. I'm going to go down to Hiney Gate (Whoops I forgot, there is no more Hiney Gate, they sold the Holiday Inn) or there abouts and try to scalp a ticket. If I can get one for under $200 I'll go.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

North High street was fun when I lived in Worthington.

It still is, most of the action now is in the Arena district and the short north/victorian village, german village areas of Hight St. I'm currently living in Dublin so it's a bit of a drive to down town.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You're not a Browns fan, are you?

There the only professional football fans you'll find in Columbus. There are really 3 kinds of football fans in Columbus. Browns, Bengals and Buckeyes and only the Browns are a profesional football team.

....and before I get flamed for that crack "Who Dey!"

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

No, I'm fully aware of what it is. You're calling the Stimulus money "Obama's Stimulus" is a strawman. Let's be clear and honest that this "stimulus money" is not just "Obama's Stimulus". That's a mischaracterization and thus a strawman.

we were talking about both...go back and read it, i never claimed it was all solely obama's, that is a false statement...

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I DID use the word trend first...because I think that monitoring trends is a wise thing to do. Obviously, you do too, or you would not have made the statement "Obama's overall job approval trend is going down, not up. Trust in the Democrats is on the decline, not the increase. That is what the TREND shows"

Like I said to yurtle the turtle:

the last ten days shows a trend that you make a big deal about.... the last eight months shows a trend that you consider completely irrelevant.

I got it.

Why TopPIN thinks you onwed me here, I don't know... maybe because you used BIG words?

Like I said.... look at the last 8 months, look at the last ten days... I don't care, either way, Obama's approval is lower today than yesterday, and it will likely be lower tomorrow than today, because that is the trend! It was YOU who brought up TRENDS, not me! I merely supported Ice Dancer's point, this thread is about what people think NOW, not 8 months ago. So we can talk about how Obama's numbers suck today, or how they have TRENDED downward since the election, in either case, the point is the same. I am still unclear on what your point was.... can you clarify?

 

[maineman]

Why TopPIN thinks you onwed me here, I don't know... maybe because you used BIG words?

Like I said.... look at the last 8 months, look at the last ten days... I don't care, either way, Obama's approval is lower today than yesterday, and it will likely be lower tomorrow than today, because that is the trend! It was YOU who brought up TRENDS, not me! I merely supported Ice Dancer's point, this thread is about what people think NOW, not 8 months ago. So we can talk about how Obama's numbers suck today, or how they have TRENDED downward since the election, in either case, the point is the same. I am still unclear on what your point was.... can you clarify?

the poll numbers for how the people feel about the direction of the country have been trending upward since the election. Looking at the last ten days and saying that THOSE results show a meaningful trend, while ignoring the previous eight months and the trend that is obvious there is disingenuous. It took a long time for people to lose confidence in their government and the direction that the country was headed. It is impossible to turn that around overnight. Obama IS turning it around, however, and the polling which you chose to ignore demonstrates that quite clearly.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

the poll numbers for how the people feel about the direction of the country have been trending upward since the election. Looking at the last ten days and saying that THOSE results show a meaningful trend, while ignoring the previous eight months and the trend that is obvious there is disingenuous. It took a long time for people to lose confidence in their government and the direction that the country was headed. It is impossible to turn that around overnight. Obama IS turning it around, however, and the polling which you chose to ignore demonstrates that quite clearly.

How people felt 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, or 8 months ago, is completely irrelevant to how they feel NOW! It is just as irrelevant as how they felt 100 years ago, 200 years ago, or 500 years ago! I have never known of a politician winning an election by saying... Look, you all loved me 8 months ago! But maybe Obama will be the first?

It's a plain lie that polls about the direction of the country is trending upward since the election. If you want to take out the polling data for the last 10 days, then maybe it WAS trending upward, but that is no longer the case because of how people feel NOW! In politics, anyone can tell you, it is far more important how people feel NOW as opposed to 8 months ago.

People are rapidly losing faith in Mr. Hope and Change! As your insanely out-of-control Liberal Congress tries to set a record at sending a nation into bankruptcy, while shoving liberal socialism down our throats against our will, the people are responding less and less favorably to the Democraps. You can cling to old polls from before the election, you can reminisce about the glorious convention where the clouds parted and The Messiah descended... but the facts are the facts NOW... And THAT is all that really matters.

 

[Topspin]

Dixie, your right.
Obama should have stuck to what got him in.
GTF out of Iraq, tax cuts for 95% of us.
It was WAY more anti-bush anti-war than it was pro-lib taxation

 

[DamnYankee]

Dixie, your right.
Obama should have stuck to what got him in.
GTF out of Iraq, tax cuts for 95% of us.
It was WAY more anti-bush anti-war than it was pro-lib taxation

That's where you're wrong- its about increasing government which of course means higher taxes, and these will be confiscated from you at the point of a gun if necessary. The anti-war thing was a ruse and you fell for it. *shrug*

 

[maineman]

How people felt 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, or 8 months ago, is completely irrelevant to how they feel NOW! It is just as irrelevant as how they felt 100 years ago, 200 years ago, or 500 years ago! I have never known of a politician winning an election by saying... Look, you all loved me 8 months ago! But maybe Obama will be the first?

It's a plain lie that polls about the direction of the country is trending upward since the election. If you want to take out the polling data for the last 10 days, then maybe it WAS trending upward, but that is no longer the case because of how people feel NOW! In politics, anyone can tell you, it is far more important how people feel NOW as opposed to 8 months ago.

People are rapidly losing faith in Mr. Hope and Change! As your insanely out-of-control Liberal Congress tries to set a record at sending a nation into bankruptcy, while shoving liberal socialism down our throats against our will, the people are responding less and less favorably to the Democraps. You can cling to old polls from before the election, you can reminisce about the glorious convention where the clouds parted and The Messiah descended... but the facts are the facts NOW... And THAT is all that really matters.

you are the one who points out that Obama's numbers have slid in the past two weeks. Trends only matter, obviously, when they tend to validate your own preconceived notions.

 

[Damocles]

you are the one who points out that Obama's numbers have slid in the past two weeks. Trends only matter, obviously, when they tend to validate your own preconceived notions.

I think what he is saying is that in politics current trends outweigh past trends.

 

[DamnYankee]

I think what he is saying is that in politics current trends outweigh past trends.

The fact is that many Americans were enamored over the fact that we had a clean, articulate black man that appeared capable of being President. Now that that Affirmative Action policy has been realized and the honeymoon is over, these same Americans are suddenly faced with the reality that the man that they chose isn't what he appeared to be. *shrug*

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

you are the one who points out that Obama's numbers have slid in the past two weeks. Trends only matter, obviously, when they tend to validate your own preconceived notions.

LMAO... Well Mainey, the thread is about how 45% trust the GOP more NOW! Now I don't care if you want to look at 8 months ago versus today, or if you just want to look at today, Obama's numbers are not looking good. It is YOU who is trying to pose this ridiculous argument that PAST polling data on how people ONCE felt, has any bearing on how they feel NOW! You want to look at the past "trend" and only up to the point it started to decline, and claim THAT is how people feel NOW.... that is a lie. It's how people once felt, it's what they thought back then, it has nothing to do with now.

Using your fucked up logic, George W. Bush was among the most popular presidents in history! It's true... go look at the polling data and trends between Sept. 11, 2001 and January 2002!

 

[maineman]

I think what he is saying is that in politics current trends outweigh past trends.

in political polling, two weeks isn't a trend, it is scatter... but hey, let Dixie and his ilk hold onto the glow that the scatter casts on them... it's kinda cute, in a pathetic sort of way...

if the downward direction tracked over the past ten days is still manifesting itself eight months from NOW, there will be cause for alarm... now, with Franken in the fold... we need to just start cramming legislation down the republicans throats and watch them choke.

 

[cawacko]

in political polling, two weeks isn't a trend, it is scatter... but hey, let Dixie and his ilk hold onto the glow that the scatter casts on them... it's kinda cute, in a pathetic sort of way...

if the downward direction tracked over the past ten days is still manifesting itself eight months from NOW, there will be cause for alarm... now, with Franken in the fold... we need to just start cramming legislation down the republicans throats and watch them choke.

Good luck doing that. Somehow I don't see 60 Democrats voting together being the norm (no pun intended), especially on the cap and trade and health care issues.

However you are correct, they have the opportunity to do it.

 

[cawacko]

g*d damn, you guys are crying like little kids about a poll that will probably completely change in a month from now and with elections well over a year away.

 

[Damocles]

g*d damn, you guys are crying like little kids about a poll that will probably completely change in a month from now and with elections well over a year away.

Yup. There is an eternity of politics between now and the election cycle.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yup. There is an eternity of politics between now and the election cycle.

yep, just ask hillary how quick things can change....

imo, the dems will be out fo power in the legislative branches in 2010 if history is any indication and i believe the dems, now having no one to blame, will continue being incompetent and the american people will finally realize all their whining and blaming others over their incomptency is really false political gameship...

also, this has been a good wake up call for conservatives to stop acting like liberals

 

[maineman]

yep, just ask hillary how quick things can change....

imo, the dems will be out fo power in the legislative branches in 2010 if history is any indication and i believe the dems, now having no one to blame, will continue being incompetent and the american people will finally realize all their whining and blaming others over their incomptency is really false political gameship...

also, this has been a good wake up call for conservatives to stop acting like liberals

and here I thought that 2006 was the good wake up call for conservatives!

Maybe they really aren't "sleeping".... maybe, as a viable national political movement, they're .... gasp.... dead.

 

[cawacko]

and here I thought that 2006 was the good wake up call for conservatives!

Maybe they really aren't "sleeping".... maybe, as a viable national political movement, they're .... gasp.... dead.

for one who was just arguing for longer views of trends you are (imo) taking a very short sighted view claiming conservatism is dead. As history has shown many times voters aren't afraid to switch between parties and there's no reason to believe any different today. The Republicans enjoyed the 'we will be in power forever' mindset. Worked out real well for them.